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Just e-mailed it to Tom Dienhart........not that it makes any differnce to him or me that his blog sucks with sour grapes...........he won't let go of the Kelly thing.........he still thinks D-Mac was the best we will ever get at ISU.

Does anyone know if he and D-Mac were tight? He comes across as a D-Mac Homer............
 
loboclone said:
he won't let go of the Kelly thing
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Don't get me wrong, as I'm entirely on the Chizik bandwagon, but I really liked the prospect of Brian Kelly as the ISU football coach. The guy built programs and won big everywhere he went, plus he was an offensive innovator. I'm unarguably in the minority on this, but Brian Kelly was my preferred candidate (and Dinehart's as well). The only negative(s) that I saw were lack of a high profile name and questionable "recruiting base"; the man can definitely coach! We're all "fat and happy" now because we landed a big name with ties to fertile recruiting states, but only time will tell if JP made the correct decision. In the interim, Mark Dinehart has a right to his opposing opinion. JOMHO...
 
iccyfan said:
Don't get me wrong, as I'm entirely on the Chizik bandwagon, but I really liked the prospect of Brian Kelly as the ISU football coach. The guy built programs and won big everywhere he went, plus he was an offensive innovator. I'm unarguably in the minority on this, but Brian Kelly was my preferred candidate (and Dinehart's as well). The only negative(s) that I saw were lack of a high profile name and questionable "recruiting base"; the man can definitely coach! We're all "fat and happy" now because we landed a big name with ties to fertile recruiting states, but only time will tell if JP made the correct decision. In the interim, Mark Dinehart has a right to his opposing opinion. JOMHO...
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Offensively there was no doubt that Brian Kelly had credibility, but his lack of Division I experience turned me away.

Besides, there was no way Pollard could have made a controversial hire like Brian Kelly after firing a coach with such strong emotional ties to the program/school/fans/etc as Dan McCarney. Pollard needed a name like Chizik and he got him.
 
Rogue52 said:
Offensively there was no doubt that Brian Kelly had credibility, but his lack of Division I experience turned me away.

Besides, there was no way Pollard could have made a controversial hire like Brian Kelly after firing a coach with such strong emotional ties to the program/school/fans/etc as Dan McCarney. Pollard needed a name like Chizik and he got him.
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Didn't McCarney resign???

Actually, JP needed to hire someone the exact opposite of McCarney, a winner. Kelly would have fit that bill, because he was a winner at every stop.

Plus he had more Division 1 coaching experience than McCarney had or Chizik has.

I am happy with Chizik, but to slam on Brian Kelly is extremely unfair, and short sighted.
 
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darts180 said:
Plus he had more Division 1 coaching experience than McCarney had or Chizik has.

I am happy with Chizik, but to slam on Brian Kelly is extremely unfair, and short sighted.
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Actually Kelly only had 3 years of D1 experience. So make had him by a long ways in experience. Kelly's Div. 1 record? 19-16...not overly impressive. Granted Central Michigan wasn't that good when he took over.
 
cycloneworld said:
Actually Kelly only had 3 years of D1 experience. So make had him by a long ways in experience. Kelly's Div. 1 record? 19-16...not overly impressive. Granted Central Michigan wasn't that good when he took over.
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How many years of Division 1 head coaching experience did Dan McCarney and Gene Chizik have before they took the job???? Hell, how much head coaching experience at any level did either one of them have???? I will answer that for you, they had the same amount as you and I do NONE.
 
Rogue52 said:
Offensively there was no doubt that Brian Kelly had credibility, but his lack of Division I experience turned me away.
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Brother, I don't care where he coached if he can run up statistics like those that follow and win a pair of National Titles. Jim Tressel won a pair of Division II titles at Youngstown State before OSU saw fit to hire him!

http://gobearcats.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kelly_brian00.html

"Kelly arrived at Central Michigan after winning back-to-back NCAA Division II national titles at Grand Valley State. The Lakers were 41-2 in Kelly's final three seasons, at one point winning 32 consecutive games. Grand Valley State went 14-0 in 2002 en route to its first national title and was 14-1 in 2003 when it claimed its second crown. Kelly was named the AFCA Division II Coach of the Year after both of those seasons.

His 2001 national runner-up squad set 77 NCAA, GLIAC, and school records, including setting the all-time Division II scoring record by averaging 58.4 points per game. The 2001 team also became the first Division II unit in 53 years to average more than 600 yards per game in total offense (600.8).

Grand Valley followed up its record-shattering 2001 season by averaging 497.5 yards and 47.0 points during its undefeated 2002 national championship run. The 2003 team, meanwhile, was more noted for its defense. The Lakers defeated North Dakota, 10-3, in the 2003 national title game."

Again, I'm happy with the Head Coach that ISU hired, but I don't think Mark Dinehart should be criticized for opining that Brian Kelly would have been a good hire for ISU. He would have been and I know I'll be watching the Cincinnati Bearcats with interest...

To protect my hard-earned rep points, let it be known that I've increased my National Cyclone Club contribution and renewed my FIVE season football tickets. Nobody wants Gene Chizik to do a great job more than me (well, maybe Pollard)! Go Cyclones!!!
 
iccyfan said:
Again, I'm happy with the Head Coach that ISU hired, but I don't think Mark Dinehart should be criticized for opining that Brian Kelly would have been a good hire for ISU. He would have been
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Kelly would have/could have been a good hire for ISU, as the same with Chizik. We ended up with the coach that was at the top of both Pollard's and Dr. Geoffrey's lists. The problem with Dinehart is that he continually bashes ISU and Chizik because we didn't go with Kelly like he thought we would. If he wouldn't p!ss and moan about Chizik and his "poor" recruiting this season, he wouldn't irk so many people. But he does that, and it irritates people.
 
Idont' care what people think of him as long as we get wins next year!!
 
I think it is very obvious that Chizik could recruit Texas, Flordia and deep south better with his staff than Brian Kelly who would be recruiting more Illinois and Ohio and Michigan players. To get kids to come to Ames, usually you recruit best areas fo good player who can return home to play. Kragthorpe was equal to brian Kelly. Both may be better coiaches - time will tell. Yet the recruiting Texas and Florida is what we need first.
 
darts180 said:
Plus he had more Division 1 coaching experience than McCarney had or Chizik has.
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Being DC at Auburn and Texas with a National Championship not to mention 2 years under Mac Brown is a little bit more experience than head coach of Central Michigan, in my opinion.

Thanks for giving me negative feedback for expressing my opinion though...
 
iccyfan said:
To protect my hard-earned rep points, let it be known that I've increased my National Cyclone Club contribution and renewed my FIVE season football tickets. Nobody wants Gene Chizik to do a great job more than me (well, maybe Pollard)! Go Cyclones!!!
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Don't worry iccyfan -- I don't really care about the whole rep points thing, but I would never give anyone negative feedback for presenting their opinion in at least a half way respectable way.

darts180 on the otherhand, he'll give you negative rep if you even mention the name of that last coach who was here for 12 years. I think his name was McCarney. Opps, here comes another negative feedback my way.
 
I think the biggest knock on Kelly was his reputation for recruiting trash.
Lots of discipline/law troubles etc.... Cincy must have decided they survived Huggy Bear they will survive with him. I really think we got the right guy and the Gophers got our second best choice in Brewster..
Kelly will win at Cincy right away and make us look bad in the short run.
But, he is a guy that will bounce around quite often and I think Chizik is more likely to stay for a longer run.
 
unibob00 said:
I think the biggest knock on Kelly was his reputation for recruiting trash.
Lots of discipline/law troubles etc.... Cincy must have decided they survived Huggy Bear they will survive with him. I really think we got the right guy and the Gophers got our second best choice in Brewster..
Kelly will win at Cincy right away and make us look bad in the short run.
But, he is a guy that will bounce around quite often and I think Chizik is more likely to stay for a longer run.
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Speaking of trash, Kelly thinks he's in Boulder. :laugh8kb: Glad JP is our guy. Kelly must have 'coached' under Barnett & Neuheisel.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2773717
 
unibob00 said:
Kelly will win at Cincy right away and make us look bad in the short run.
But, he is a guy that will bounce around quite often and I think Chizik is more likely to stay for a longer run.
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This is what makes message boards interesting. You've hit on my biggest concern with the hiring of Gene Chizik, but your "take" is 180 degrees opposite of mine! :wink0st:

Brian Kelly was at GV State for over a decade before he took the job at CMU. His salary at CMU was published during our coaching search; he made $180K. I honestly don't know what Cinci's paying him, but it's probably safe to say he at least tripled his previous salary. Yet you're suggesting he's a "job hopper"?

Again, I hope that Gene Chizik has great success and stays at ISU for a long, long time, but his job history doesn't suggest anything of the sort. People want to bring up his stints at Auburn (3 years) and Texas (2 years). I know he was "moving up" the coaching ladder, but it shows he's willing to move for a better job (nothing shabby about Auburn). What happens when there's a job opening at a "higher profile" school in the ACC or SEC (say Clemson, with whom he has a history)?

I'm not saying it'll happen; I'm just saying it was something (potential longevity) I was thinking about during the hiring process...
 
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