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Rob hustles and gives gives incredible effort. And he also has some nice post moves honestly. He just is not good at putting the ball in the basket around the rim. Very little touch and eye hand coordination it seems. If he could get that part done, he'd really be a good player.

His moves are slow and lack explosiveness, making him easy to defend. His best move is the quick baby hook but he's rarely used it this year and especially in conference play.

Basically BRE has the coordination of a high school bench warmer but the height of a D1 athlete. His top end 'speed' is fine for running the floor but he lacks quickness/explosiveness. Maybe more importantly his decision making is wretched. I wish there was a stat for it but EVERY time Bob puts the ball on the floor something bad happens. There literally should be a rule against dribbling the ball, and if he doesn't initiate a post move immediately it should be kicked out. He lacks a natural feel for the game, forcing too many shots and having an insanely high failure rate in doing so.

Defensively the lack of quickness and anticipation cramps our defense. We rely heavily on switching and closeouts and BRE is poor at both, on the first one that's being able to guard off the switch. His foot speed is so slow that it often throws our defense into a tailspin, the Mizzou game and 2nd half at Tech being prime examples.

This isn't some freshman we play because we need and think he will develop and come around. An unathletic, uncoordinated big is exactly what he is. That's not BREs fault as I think he's busted his ass to make himself better. The fault is with the coaches for playing someone ill-equipped to contribute at the Big 12 level that many minutes.

He will never "get that down". Why? If he was capable he would have already.
 
critiquing means to analyze or assess, doesn't say positive or negative. You assessed BRE, therefore you critiqued him.
You are correct. However, criticism, not praise, is most often associated with the word critique.
 
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For me, I can appreciate how hard Rob plays but I also know that the more minutes he gets, the more limited we are, especially offensively.

He’s shooting 36% from the floor in conference at a position where you generally see higher shooting percentages since most shots are taken right by the basket. He’s a 40% FT shooter which is horrendous at the college level and blows my mind more teams don’t take advantage of that.

He also is averaging 3 rebounds in 16 minutes per game in conference which I would imagine puts him on the lower end of that stat too.
For reference Gabe shot 36% last year as mostly a jump shooter. I think teams don't foul him because he's so ineffective scoring around the rim. He's also turned it over several times when in the post. No real reason to commit a foul
 
He is a great character person and gels with the team well. But for being a 4th year player, he’s making plays one would expect from a freshman. He has to learn that if he had the ball in his hands near the basket, but doesn’t have a great look, it’s ok to pass the ball back out to the perimeter. I honestly don’t recall the last time he did that. It seems he will always put up a shot no matter how well defended he may be.

I think a lot of angst will be lifted if he learns to pass it back out when he is well defended. But he made a terrific play in the first half yesterday by stealing the ball, then ran the court and then capped the play with a nice reverse layup. So he’s not all bad
I think TJ is trying to get their bigs a few fouls. Something people are failing to see is Rob can absorb 5 fouls, but he can also give them out too. TJ has said he wants to beat teams up. Jones does just that as someone said earlier in the thread when he doesn't have the ball.
 
I really like King but he is a PF not a center. With our aggressive pressure outside we need a shot changer near the rim. Osun, Jones, and Ward fill that spot.

I’m not sure it matters. Texas Tech went small in the second half with Obanor at the 5 and he torched us. I cringed when Jones went to the line with 2:34 left but he made both of those free throws. I couldn’t name a true center in this league outside of Ossuniyi.
 
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His moves are slow and lack explosiveness, making him easy to defend. His best move is the quick baby hook but he's rarely used it this year and especially in conference play.

Basically BRE has the coordination of a high school bench warmer but the height of a D1 athlete. His top end 'speed' is fine for running the floor but he lacks quickness/explosiveness. Maybe more importantly his decision making is wretched. I wish there was a stat for it but EVERY time Bob puts the ball on the floor something bad happens. There literally should be a rule against dribbling the ball, and if he doesn't initiate a post move immediately it should be kicked out. He lacks a natural feel for the game, forcing too many shots and having an insanely high failure rate in doing so.

Defensively the lack of quickness and anticipation cramps our defense. We rely heavily on switching and closeouts and BRE is poor at both, on the first one that's being able to guard off the switch. His foot speed is so slow that it often throws our defense into a tailspin, the Mizzou game and 2nd half at Tech being prime examples.

This isn't some freshman we play because we need and think he will develop and come around. An unathletic, uncoordinated big is exactly what he is. That's not BREs fault as I think he's busted his ass to make himself better. The fault is with the coaches for playing someone ill-equipped to contribute at the Big 12 level that many minutes.

He will never "get that down". Why? If he was capable he would have already.
Lol
 
I love me some Bob Jones.

He isnt perfect. He gets sped up when the ball is in his hands and it doesnt always end well. I think thats why people lose their minds about him, the missed bunnies and turning it over in the lane.

Guy busts his ass all the time. He is a bruiser inside, the only one we have. King is smaller. Jaz and Grill are both guards ffs. Ward still a work in progress.

Bob does all the dirty work. Beats up on opponent bigs. Why do Grill, Jaz, and Lipsey have a ton of rebounds? Because Bob has his fat ass pushing an opponent big into the 2nd row to clear out the lane.

Gabe said something in the post game- "availability is the BEST ability". Without Bob absorbing some minutes and fouls, Osun cant play his most productive. 10 more minutes of Osun is 10 more minutes of him not being aggressive on defense so he wont foul out. Its Osun being gassed and unable to finish or move as fast on offense. 25 mins of Osun is Osun making an awards list. 35 mins of Osun is not.

Im not saying he is Lew Alcinder, Kelvin Cato, or Marcus Fizer. Im not saying he should start, play 30mpg, or we want 3 more of him on the team.

Bob is municipal bonds. The return isnt the highest, but having them in your portfolio helps optimize your overall returns. Thats what he does for the team.

Heres the bottom line. Bob is our guy. TJ wants him on the floor. I bet you a dollar every one of his teammates want him on the floor. So love the effort and the mustache. Shake your head at the mistakes. Root for the guys! Dont **** on them.

(Im gonna catch hell abt the municipal bonds thing)
 
He is a great character person and gels with the team well. But for being a 4th year player, he’s making plays one would expect from a freshman. He has to learn that if he had the ball in his hands near the basket, but doesn’t have a great look, it’s ok to pass the ball back out to the perimeter. I honestly don’t recall the last time he did that. It seems he will always put up a shot no matter how well defended he may be.

I think a lot of angst will be lifted if he learns to pass it back out when he is well defended. But he made a terrific play in the first half yesterday by stealing the ball, then ran the court and then capped the play with a nice reverse layup. So he’s not all bad

If he learns to do this I'd be ok with him getting the minutes he does now. Except late in close games (FT shooting).
 
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He is the garbage guy that every team needs to be successful. Does a lot of the little things that you don’t see on a stat sheet.

That being said, he shouldn’t be getting as many shots as he does.
 
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King scored effectively in the post yesterday… when defended by a 4. Attack the mismatch. There’s stuff about Jones that drives me nuts (like, making Percy Jackson look like a willing passer, for example), but Shun can’t play 35mpg, and I think this staff has earned the benefit of the doubt: there’s a reason BRE is playing minutes at the 5 when Jaz and Ward could also be doing it. And part of that reason is definitely all the dirty work he does without the ball.
 
Here’s where I’ve landed with Rob using the transitive property.

TJ would not play someone who is not doing what they are coached to do. TJ continued to play Rob. As such, Rob must be doing what he is being coached to do.

Kid gives effort and TJ appears happy with how he’s contributing and that should really be enough for us.
This makes me wonder if he's told to put those shots up, almost no matter what. He's almost always double teamed and well defended.

Every game we are all thinking, probably should pass it out, and he goes up with it instead.

Is that what he's told to do?
 
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I’m not sure it matters. Texas Tech went small in the second half with Obanor at the 5 and he torched us. I cringed when Jones went to the line with 2:34 left but he made both of those free throws. I couldn’t name a true center in this league outside of Ossuniyi.

This. Times 1000.

Most teams lack a true 5 and the 5s that exist often arent very good. It's part of the reason why Osun is so effective; the Big 12 doesnt have a plethora of bigs to stop him.

As you mentioned, Tech went small and aimed to ISO Bob EVERY time down the floor. Why was that? He was the weakest link on the floor and they exploited it. We didnt adjust and let King rot on the bench (for no good reason).

Now, I'm not saying King at the 5 is ideal in the perfect world. But it's far more ideal than have Bob stumble and stammer his way to missed bunnies, missed loose balls, and blown coverage. King is by far our best option when Osun sits. It boggles my mind how anyone could be against it at this point.
 
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King scored effectively in the post yesterday… when defended by a 4. Attack the mismatch. There’s stuff about Jones that drives me nuts (like, making Percy Jackson look like a willing passer, for example), but Shun can’t play 35mpg, and I think this staff has earned the benefit of the doubt: there’s a reason BRE is playing minutes at the 5 when Jaz and Ward could also be doing it. And part of that reason is definitely all the dirty work he does without the ball.

Jaz doesn't have the combination of frame/height and neither does Ward. King does which is why you put him there. Far better option than BRE and we have far more options to play the 4 than we do the 5.
 
I actually forgot about Ward. Don't think he played at all with Jaz, back. I don't see him hanging around if his minutes don't increase, but don't know how much time he has left and if he can transfer again and still play.

I havent been impressed with him when he's played. Defensively he seems to constantly lose his guy and doesnt seem overly active around the basket. But it's hard to assimilate when you don't get minutes.

That said, I wish we would roll with Gabe, Grill, Lipsey, Holmes Osun then Kunc, King , and Watson. BRE with sparing minutes when Osun and King are both in foul trouble.
 
He should but he won't. Why? If the coaching staff was paying attention that would have happened weeks ago. For Jones to play more minutes (when not contributing) than King in a game where King was dominating is ridiculous. Simply no excuse for BRE to have more minutes than King.

This isn't middle school where you hand out trophies for effort. I don't doubt the effort, but at the end of the day a bad player with effort is still a bad player. There is simply no on the court evidence to justify BRE's minutes or the undying faith TJ apparently has with him.

BTW this might be the dumbest thread in CFW history. Flame away Defenders.
So you think this is the dumbest thread in CF history?

We'll, here's what I think is dumb. Having the audacity to think you know more than the staff who took a 2-22 program to the Sweet 16 the very next year and to the top of the Big 12 the following year (with wins over 4 top 10 teams). But you keep on sharing your critique of this staff. I'm sure they are soaking up all of your helpful feedback.
 
His forced shots are a DeFacto turnover. I can't tell you how many times a game I scream no, no, no Bob. Maybe one out of ten times I'm wrong and he scores. His missed shots are never rebounded as there is no one to rebound them and he often turns it over before shooting. He should only shoot when he gets a wide-open look like that fast break after the steal yesterday. I cheered very loudly for BRE after that play as he deserved it. If he did that his shooting percentage would be well above 50% like our other bigs. I appreciate the good things he does, but right now (and in his two years here) his poor decisions on offense offset the good. I would imagine there might be a big cheer in Hilton if BRE passed the ball back out once.
 
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Well said!
Bob Jones has a great role on this team. With Kunc back i feel that should be in limited minutes though (like less than 20 min a game). He does bring great attitude, toughness and effort.

BUT - there aren't many Bob Jones level players that play a lot on elite 8 / final four teams. Just my two pennies.
 
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