Dodge Reveals EV Muscle Car

[BACyclone]

Back to the OP discussion, I thought the video I saw of the Dodge EV muscle car was really impressive. The added sound effects was pretty sweet. It's targeted for that specific crowd that wants that flashy car.

I wouldn't buy one, just like I wouldn't buy an ICE version of the same thing. But I was impressed by the execution and the idea. It will be interesting to see how the car is actually received in the market.

 

[BryceC]

And we have not begun to talk about the limited lifespan of the battery system, which for all intents and purposes does not affect ICE vehicles to the same level.

True, the lifespan of battery systems is much longer than ICE vehicles from everything I've read.

 

[MeowingCows]

They must have research that shows this is something that consumers want, but I don't get it at all. I hate noisy vehicles. The quieter the better. Play some music if you've got to have noise.

That's one my biggest appeals towards vehicles with batteries running them -- no engine noise. Cars, especially ICE ones, are really annoyingly noisy.

 

[MeowingCows]

I'm not crapping on it........my dad has a Mach E as well. We talk of the pro's and con's all the time. It's not for everyone and shouldn't be pushed as such.

As for the EV "experience"..............................it's a car.

This isn't "one small step for man.....one giant leap for mankind".

I'd still qualify it as "early adoption", at this point, but some people are willing to adapt and jump into new things. Others are not and stay back with what they know. It's mainly that simple, and to each their own. This isn't an overnight thing.

 

[GBlade]

It will be very interesting once some of these second generation EVs hit the used market. We were seeing used Tesla being sold for more then a new one back in 2021, but I think once the market settles out we could see the used market pull down the price of a new EVs. The real question is how many miles can you expect to put on a battery pack and still get usable range out of it.

 

[WhoISthis]

Unless 75% of the time they try to log into Netflix the system is down. I'm an EV fan but range anxiety is a real thing and if you can't count on a charging network, this is a real issue.

75%? Imo more like 10%. That video is a narrow experience and somewhat clickbait for those that have not owned an EV.

The only time I’ve had range anxiety in last 5 years was leading up to a hurricane. And it turned out charging wasn’t an issue, but gas was. Both with eTron and an older Tesla. Imo Audi etron is a superior car and the range delta to tesla not noticeable in nearly all of our car usage.

If you’re often doing 1000 mile death march drives, you likely should be going with a good PHEV rather than Tesla right now in my experience. Something like the X5 in which you can be ev only for daily local, and hybrid for these every-weekend 1000 mile trips.

But that’s likely only for one more car ownership cycle imo. The charging infrastructure is going to change quickly. Likely faster growth than manufacturers can produce the corresponding growth in battery packs. Imo swapping or storage as a subscription is going to be needed.

It is a nascent ecosystem. Until even 2019 you still had people doubt Tesla and EVs would make it. Utilities were way too slow to realize the opportunity as well. Now, most are partners in VC funds investing billions in the evolution of EV ecosystem.

 

[dmclone]

It will be very interesting once some of these second generation EVs hit the used market. We were seeing used Tesla being sold for more then a new one back in 2021, but I think once the market settles out we could see the used market pull down the price of a new EVs. The real question is how many miles can you expect to put on a battery pack and still get usable range out of it.

It's such a weird time for the whole car market in general. Once inventories return to normal, I expect EV used prices to drop. The reason I say this is because I think we'll see so many more options and advancement that the used ones will seem dated quickly. Before Covid, you saw this with the Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, etc. that lost value worst than any cars being made. Tesla resales stayed high because they remain tops in range and limited availability. It will work itself out over the next few years.

 

[WhoISthis]

It will be very interesting once some of these second generation EVs hit the used market. We were seeing used Tesla being sold for more then a new one back in 2021, but I think once the market settles out we could see the used market pull down the price of a new EVs. The real question is how many miles can you expect to put on a battery pack and still get usable range out of it.

Tesla and most new EVs are not high because a dealer markup. It’s the cost of the technology isn’t yet at parity when at a “sufficient” range.

And even if the cost was due to a profit premium, as long as manufacturers are up against production constraints on storage, it will be awhile before new Tesla’s fall in price because of an abundance of used as a substitute.

The life of the car itself degrades faster than the storage- people generally want a new car well before the pack is compromised from too many cycles.

 

[JUKEBOX]

It will be very interesting once some of these second generation EVs hit the used market. We were seeing used Tesla being sold for more then a new one back in 2021, but I think once the market settles out we could see the used market pull down the price of a new EVs. The real question is how many miles can you expect to put on a battery pack and still get usable range out of it.

Yes I'm curious how this will impact the price. I believe the battery replacement cost is like $20k right? And I would assume they run out of juice around when the warranty is up which is 7-10 years.

 

[JUKEBOX]

Yes I'm curious how this will impact the price. I believe the battery replacement cost is like $20k right? And I would assume they run out of juice around when the warranty is up which is 7-10 years.

So if someone was trying to sell their 7-10 year-old used EV for like $10k, and the battery was shot, it might be hard for them to get rid of it if the used-car price (plus battery replacement cost) is not that different from a brand new car.

 

[HFCS]

Back to the OP discussion, I thought the video I saw of the Dodge EV muscle car was really impressive. The added sound effects was pretty sweet. It's targeted for that specific crowd that wants that flashy car.

I wouldn't buy one, just like I wouldn't buy an ICE version of the same thing. But I was impressed by the execution and the idea. It will be interesting to see how the car is actually received in the market.

Tesla very intentionally launched with the roadster to combat outdated stereotypes that EVs weren’t powerful.

I think most (not all) people realize now that ev performance in terms of torque/acceleration/power is actually generally better than ice…but now there are other design aesthetics that are cliche to EVs so having this different aesthetic could appeal to some.

Every once in a while I’ll still read a fearful comment about not wanting ev because they aren’t fast or powerful, so maybe this reaches that guy even if he doesn’t buy this.

 

[GTO]

Still a Dodge.

 

[madguy30]

Yes I'm curious how this will impact the price. I believe the battery replacement cost is like $20k right? And I would assume they run out of juice around when the warranty is up which is 7-10 years.

Looked it up and it's between $7,000 and $10,000 generally but can be up to $20,000.

It's comparable to replacing a full car engine....personally if I've been met with the option to even get the engine out, have it taken apart, etc. I was advised to just trade in as it's already been expensive enough to fix a bunch of other stuff leading up to bigger problems.

 

[HFCS]

I'd still qualify it as "early adoption", at this point, but some people are willing to adapt and jump into new things. Others are not and stay back with what they know. It's mainly that simple, and to each their own. This isn't an overnight thing.

It feels like 20% of the new cars in LA, and that’s with massive supply shortages. 4.50 gas before Ukraine snd 7.00 gas at peak is no doubt part of it. It really isn’t an expensive/luxury choice in that reality.

Nationwide just hit the 5% of new cars mark where other countries that hit that mark have got to 15-20% very fast.

 

[HFCS]

Looked it up and it's between $7,000 and $10,000 generally but can be up to $20,000.

It's comparable to replacing a full car engine....personally if I've been met with the option to even get the engine out, have it taken apart, etc. I was advised to just trade in as it's already been expensive enough to fix a bunch of other stuff leading up to bigger problems.

Since I have a phev that still has expensive maintenance like any ice I’m curious to ask our full ev owners if the makers are delivering on the promise of drastically less $ on regular parts and maintenance. For a long term owner that would reduced the cost of replacing a battery on a high mileage car.

I feel like Tesla or rivian has every incentive for maintenance to be practically nothing but the traditional auto makers may have a hard time giving up parts and service cash cow.

 

[BigTurk]

Good thing too, because about 60% of the energy goes to heat and noise rather than motion in an ICE.

An ISU researcher is working to solve this problem. Trying to create metal alloys that can convert that waste heat to electricity.

 

[brianhos]

I may be wrong, but aren't those ranges based driving on a flat surface with no head wind or creature comforts (radio, heater, lights) being used?

A 30 mph head wind with the temp at 0 probably changes your range a bit I would think.

I can get in the upper 200's driving at normal highway speeds, but it's just like gas, into a headwind, you get less milage.

 

[brianhos]

Since I have a phev that still has expensive maintenance like any ice I’m curious to ask our full ev owners if the makers are delivering on the promise of drastically less $ on regular parts and maintenance. For a long term owner that would reduced the cost of replacing a battery on a high mileage car.

I feel like Tesla or rivian has every incentive for maintenance to be practically nothing but the traditional auto makers may have a hard time giving up parts and service cash cow.

I have owned it 1 year now. My maintenance so far is, 1 jug of windshield washer fluid. I do need to get the tires rotated though, just not sure where to go, most places won't touch EV's yet.

 

[brianhos]

It will be very interesting once some of these second generation EVs hit the used market. We were seeing used Tesla being sold for more then a new one back in 2021, but I think once the market settles out we could see the used market pull down the price of a new EVs. The real question is how many miles can you expect to put on a battery pack and still get usable range out of it.

Battery packs in Tesla have an 8 year 100k warranty. I have heard of very few battery issues in the forums I read.

 

[dmclone]

My understanding is that these battery packs just lose range over long periods of time. It's not like you wake up one day and your battery blew, like an engine. So at 100k miles your range will only be 220 in stead of 240. At 150k miles your range may be 210.
Service costs are not a big selling point for me. I get my oil changed like once a year and they also rotate my tires, which I would have to do with an EV. One selling point would be brakes, which I hear last a LONG time with most EV's.
I'm sure I'm different than most people but by far the biggest selling point for me would be performance. Not all EV's are fast but a lot of them are stunningly fast. It would take me forever to make up the $10k+ premium you pay for an EV in fuel savings.