Wow, that's way more involved than a speaker and probably uses even more juice, which makes it even dumber.
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Good thing too, because about 60% of the energy goes to heat and noise rather than motion in an ICE.
When you own one, you will be plugging in at your house to trickle charge back to 100% overnight.
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Oh I get it. My first thought was also speaker, and I wondered if you could turn it off. A speaker can't replicate exhaust. But maybe if they are moving air they'll be able to get the pressure waves and low frequencies so it doesn't seem as artificial.
I just learned that Illinois requires a front plate, which is shocking because 90% of the cars I see from IL don't have one which tells me they don't enforce it.
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I think in 10 years my wife and I will have one EV and one Hybrid. One for daily commute and one for weekend trips.
My son lives 4 hours away. With an EV, worst case, a 4 hour nonstop drive becomes 4.5 if we have to stop for 30 min to charge. I assume there will be somewhere we can leave our car to charge overnight where he could pick us up. In that situation, Finding 10 minutes to fill up while we chat in the vehicle is still more convenient than finding a place to get a full charge.
My challenge/fear for straight EV:
- Drive to work
- Drive home just in time to get kids to practice or drive to their game that night (sometimes an hour away)
- Drive to practice/game
- Drive home
One example would be 175 miles. That could be in dead of winter. I'm not sure how viable that is at this point.
We do it a couple times each fall and spring.
Now we do it if we want to see my son.
How many people are coming to ISU football or basketball games from 4 hours away? Hard to get your vehicle charged if its in the parking lot for tailgating.
An alternative is Hybrid or maybe rent a car for that weekend.
Colleague commented that the Japanese brands are pursuing PHEV while domestics are chasing EV. As I noted, I think we'll be one of each eventually. Gotta keep up with the kids.
BUT, if Dodge is evolving to EV, I think the writing is on the wall for ICE.
Ford has been doing something like that with the ecoboost F150s. They put V8 sounds through the speakers so you think you've got a big bad V8 truck.
The problem, well maybe not so much of a problem is that the plug-in option does add quite a bit to the price of the car. We're on the wait list right now for a PHEV Rav4 right now, it's an extra $10k for that option over the standard hybrid drivetrain. However PHEVs mostly qualify for a $7500 electric vehicle rebate.
Personally I think that they are the compromise we need until we can get battery charging times down to 10ish minutes and for people who live in a charging desert. My understanding is that Ford is planning on rolling out a PHEV option for every hybrid vehicle they offer now and will offer now that they have the Lightning released. I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see a PHEV Ranger in the next year or two, assuming that happens I'll be placing an order as soon as they open the order banks.
There’s no down side to phev right now with high gas prices, especially if it qualifies for tax credit. I’m positive mine paid for itself pretty quick vs the slightly cheaper ice version of same car. The only negative is you can’t find one.
Your example of a busy life and having to drive 175 miles in winter, yeah that’s not ideal and probably some ev models could be a challenge, but if you’re actually doing that 4-5 days a week you’re gonna burn through the life of any car and with an ice you’re going to be heading to a gas station 4 times a week where some EVs actually probably could drive that daily save you that hassle. You’d need level 2 charger at home for sure.
Phev is insanely convenient for anybody who drives 20-80 miles a day but takes 300+ mile trips frequently. You’re daily driving will be 80% electric and then you have a fuel efficient hybrid for those frequent 300 mile days.
I really think most people are kidding themselves about their daily driving though. I used to have a 90 mile daily commute. Now that I work closer to home my phev’s 20 mile charge is often all I need even on a weekend if I stay in town, sometimes I charge it twice in a day. I think most people drive 5-20 miles a day and these long 300+ mile road trips are 5-15 days a year.
They must have research that shows this is something that consumers want, but I don't get it at all. I hate noisy vehicles. The quieter the better. Play some music if you've got to have noise.
It depends how high gas is where you live.
My prices were 4.50 before war. 7.00 at peak. 5.50 now. 1.35 equivalent to charge and there were a handful of days my entire state was 100% renewables.
I’m getting back something like $200 or $250 a month on fuel.
Now if I were in a state where gas was super cheap like 3 bucks or less, cut that savings in half…I think you still save $ on a three year lease or 4 years of ownership but it’s not some massive savings like it will be for me. The best thing may be you protect yourself from a future gas price surge that could be even worse.
You do know there are EVs that have 300+ miles of range on a full charge, right? Yes, dead of winter cold greatly impacts range with cold-soak of the battery and usage of resistive heat, but I wouldn't be nervous at all about making it 175 miles in the coldest of winter nights in my 300 mile range EV. Then I would plug it in overnight and be at full charge in the morning, ready to do it again the next day.
I have an EV, my wife has a gas SUV. That won't change, we would use hers for long road trips. But I still would take my EV to KC for the weekend and drive it to everything around town. We rarely take her car locally. A trip to WDM for us in her car would be $10 in gas or $2 in electricity.
Regular hybrid charges a battery when you decelerate, so you are using the resistance of an electric motor to slow down. It's odd driving with you foot only on the accelerator, but you get used to it and then it's great.
