Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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The more we talk about this, the more I'll be disappointed if the B12 doesn't land with CBS. On Fox or ESPN, the B12 will take a back seat. SEC and B1G will get the premier time slots and channels, meaning lower viewership. With CBS (and NBC?) we can have better time slots and, in turn, better viewership numbers which will only set us up better for the next contract in 5-15 years (Whenever that is).
 

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The more we talk about this, the more I'll be disappointed if the B12 doesn't land with CBS. On Fox or ESPN, the B12 will take a back seat. SEC and B1G will get the premier time slots and channels, meaning lower viewership. With CBS (and NBC?) we can have better time slots and, in turn, better viewership numbers which will only set us up better for the next contract in 5-15 years (Whenever that is).
Yeah, I think the concern is NOT pissing off ESPN since they could choose to ignore the BIG 12 entirely.
 

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The more we talk about this, the more I'll be disappointed if the B12 doesn't land with CBS. On Fox or ESPN, the B12 will take a back seat. SEC and B1G will get the premier time slots and channels, meaning lower viewership. With CBS (and NBC?) we can have better time slots and, in turn, better viewership numbers which will only set us up better for the next contract in 5-15 years (Whenever that is).
If this comes down to 48 teams in the end. We need to keep making bowls and being in the top 30-40% of our conference. Implode the PAC and things will keep us in the group.
 

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If I was the Pac 10 I'd be pushing hard for six of the Big 12 teams:

Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech

Baylor, BYU, and TCU are out because of religious affiliation, and the eastern schools are out purely because of travel distance.

Maybe it's been brought up before, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it. This new look "Big 16" would be worthy of a decent payout:

BIG 8
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah

PAC 8
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

No need for scheduling "pods;" I think the schools would be happy sticking to their eight-team divisions with a few crossover games.
If the Pac12 schools don't want schools with religious affiliation, they can make less money on their own. Like I pointed out in prior post- 9 of 12 Pac12 FB teams have played BYU in the last 4 years! Those are non-con games where the Pac12 schools could play anyone and they choose to play BYU!!

Realignment is about maximizing money and product. Dropping BYU, TCU and Baylor makes ZERO sense. I realize people have issues with Baylor during Briles tenure, but they are an elite AD right now.

Dropping Baylor or TCU to keep Houston is crazy! If UW & Oregon are willing to leave WSU & OSU behind to go to Big10- the Big12 should push for the same deal.
 
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If the Pac12 schools don't want schools with religious affiliation, they can make less money on their own. Like I pointed out in prior post- 9 of 12 Pac12 FB teams have played BYU in the last 4 years! Those are non-con games where the Pac12 schools could play anyone and they choose to play BYU!!

Realignment is about maximizing money and product. Dropping BYU, TCU and Baylor makes ZERO sense. I realize people have issues with Baylor during Briles tenure, but they are an elite AD right now.

Dropping Baylor or TCU to keep Houston is crazy! If UW & Oregon are willing to leave WSU & OSU behind to go to Big10- the Big12 should push for the same deal.
Fair enough. What's your list of the best 12-16 Big 12/Pac 10 teams?
 

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I would be shocked if ESPN wanted to add a bunch of schools to the ACC, and give them all large raises. They like the ACC because it’s cheap.

Large raises for all? Where do you get that?

It’s not likely to require large raises for most, particularly if Big 12 misses on adding PAC.

Projections like Navigate have the conferences close, and that’s without the ACCN growth of adding more markets and much greater chance of getting more berths in new CFP. That 24 school conference would be much more likely to get multiple entrants than Big 16 or Big 12 (or ACC). FSU, Miami, VT, Clemson, Cincinnati, Baylor, Ok St, ISU, etc there’s more meat there than Big 16 or even Big 18 imo.

Unequal revenue sharing would allow big raises for some, similar to LHN kept Big 12 together.

ESPN has a long position on 14 ACC schools either way and Fox will make them pay for it. Moving schools to SEC likely not that much cheaper than creating a 3rd super conference around the ACC. If schools get moved for SEC, they grab 6 PAC schools

And it’s WVU and Cincinnati preferring the ACC from it being forced on us

They like ACC for market share too.
 

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Was just a hypothetical. Take a look at the lineup I posted and give me detailed reason why it's so much worse than what we currently have planned.
I would say that making your point by saying the Pac should really push for these big 12 schools, you lost me right there. Our conference valuations are better than the Pac, so advantage to the Big12. Its who do we want first...not the otherway. Not all the schools you listed in the pac add value, many dilute profits. Yormark is not looking to dilute. And finally, the four letter word that i will not use, was used.
 

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If the Pac12 schools don't want schools with religious affiliation, they can make less money on their own. Like I pointed out in prior post- 9 of 12 Pac12 FB teams have played BYU in the last 4 years! Those are non-con games where the Pac12 schools could play anyone and they choose to play BYU!!

Realignment is about maximizing money and product. Dropping BYU, TCU and Baylor makes ZERO sense. I realize people have issues with Baylor during Briles tenure, but they are an elite AD right now.

Dropping Baylor or TCU to keep Houston is crazy! If UW & Oregon are willing to leave WSU & OSU behind to go to

If I was the Pac 10 I'd be pushing hard for six of the Big 12 teams:

Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech

Baylor, BYU, and TCU are out because of religious affiliation, and the eastern schools are out purely because of travel distance.

Maybe it's been brought up before, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it. This new look "Big 16" would be worthy of a decent payout:

BIG 8
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah

PAC 8
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

No need for scheduling "pods;" I think the schools would be happy sticking to their eight-team divisions with a few crossover games.
I am starting to like it. Just seems like too much bias from new commish to do everything so this doesn't happen.
 

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This thread is so funny. Nobody on here has known anything for 396 pages now. There hasn't been anything to report. Just arguing amongst one another and nobody knows a thing.

But if it's fun.... go at it I guess.
200.webp
 

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Large raises for all? Where do you get that?

It’s not likely to require large raises for most, particularly if Big 12 misses on adding PAC.

Projections like Navigate have the conferences close, and that’s without the ACCN growth of adding more markets and much greater chance of getting more berths in new CFP. That 24 school conference would be much more likely to get multiple entrants than Big 16 or Big 12 (or ACC). FSU, Miami, VT, Clemson, Cincinnati, Baylor, Ok St, ISU, etc there’s more meat there than Big 16 or even Big 18 imo.

Unequal revenue sharing would allow big raises for some, similar to LHN kept Big 12 together.

ESPN has a long position on 14 ACC schools either way and Fox will make them pay for it. Moving schools to SEC likely not that much cheaper than creating a 3rd super conference around the ACC. If schools get moved for SEC, they grab 6 PAC schools

And it’s WVU and Cincinnati preferring the ACC from it being forced on us

They like ACC for market share too.
Large raises is what it would take for the ACC to agree to expansion, and for Big12 schools to leave for the ACC. As it’s slated now, the Big12 is projected to make more than the ACC, just like they have been, they will continue to. That’s why ACC schools want out of the ACC.
 

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Although this article suspects that the timeline may be extended: https://www.dailynews.com/2022/08/0...s-asus-collective-and-kliavkoffs-performance/
I’m confused why the PAC would want to extend the window? You’d think they would want to hit the open market and try to start a bidding war. Sure the B1G deal isn’t final, but I’d assume the networks have an idea of where they stand at this point. Going to the open market doesn’t mean a deal must be struck right away.
 

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I’m confused why the PAC would want to extend the window? You’d think they would want to hit the open market and try to start a bidding war. Sure the B1G deal isn’t final, but I’d assume the networks have an idea of where they stand at this point. Going to the open market doesn’t mean a deal must be struck right away.
Maybe because they already have a feel for the open market. Or, the 'open market' is wanting some time to work numbers. A lot of reasons on why to extend it.
 

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This was posted earlier, but haven't seen much discussion on the 'legal' part of expansion. Seems very precarious for the B1G or the SEC to proactively pursue more schools at this point. My contention all along is that they're skirting the legal boundaries with their actions.
CBS Conference Realignment
 

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Maybe because they already have a feel for the open market. Or, the 'open market' is wanting some time to work numbers. A lot of reasons on why to extend it.
I still don’t see the benefit of extending ESPN and Fox’s exclusive offer window. Fox didn’t want to offer and ESPN lowballed. If they change their mind, they can still do that in the open market. You say there’s lots of reasons to extend it, but couldn’t come up with one?
 

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I still don’t see the benefit of extending ESPN and Fox’s exclusive offer window. Fox didn’t want to offer and ESPN lowballed. If they change their mind, they can still do that in the open market. You say there’s lots of reasons to extend it, but couldn’t come up with one?
It may be as simple as 'poker'. Fox is set, but ESPN lowballed because no one else stepped up to the plate. P12 is extending it because back channels says 'open market' going to put in a bid above ESPN. Thus this gives opportunity for ESPN to counter. All that aside, yes, if everyone was up front, I'd agree with you. But, again, this is dirty poker going on right now.