Maybe your own memory is suspect and take some time to stop myth busting.
"Shot the team out of the game" in last 3:10:
1-2 from field
2-2 from FT
0TO
1 rebound
1 block
Caleb Swanigan dead at 25
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Maybe your own memory is suspect and take some time to stop myth busting.
"Shot the team out of the game" in last 3:10:
1-2 from field
2-2 from FT
0TO
1 rebound
1 block
But he went 9-9 in the Big 12 that one year he had all his guys, so that was really good.
Prohm falling apart in the COVID year isn't evidence everything he ever did ever in every game for every possession was an awful decision. He didn't coach a masterpiece against Purdue, but I don't think he lost it.
Purdue kind of went out and won it.
Did you not read my response? I already said that was hyperbolic and Burton wasn't the problem in the last couple of minutes. It was some devastating turnovers from the guards who lost them the game.
But again -- Burton's iso run was net +5.
What happened during the net +16 run the eight minutes before that?
Wasn't Burton iso. He didn't do much. From what I can tell, his statline from 13:40 to 5:32 during the +16 run was...
1/2 from the field for 2 points (missed layup, dunk with Morris assist so probably more Monté's doing)
1 defensive rebound
no assists or turnovers
It didn't seem to be the Burton iso that got them back into the game.
I just think it's funny you do this contrarian myth busting claiming everybody else remembers things wrong...and then your memory of the last 3 minutes was total opposite of reality.
We all misremember things as human nature including you. Contrarianism can be seductive, but sometimes a lot of people are more or less right.
"I'm going to pick up one throwaway line that you've already said is hyperbolic and try to use it to invalidate your entire argument so I don't have to engage with the detailed reading of stats and by possessions results you've provided here. That's easier than dealing with the fact most of the comeback wasn't built around Burton iso."
This is the kind of cheap argumentation that would have gotten me thrown out of graduate school at ISU.
Here is the difference -- I have admitted my "mythmaking" is wrong. Your turn.
You all remember this game wrong.
I remember it right.
Here's what happened in the final 3:10.
The exact opposite actually happened in final 3:10.
Just sayin', that's how I read it.
So the final 3:10 was the game? Nothing else happened before that, like a comeback from down 19?
What happened during the +16 run before Burton briefly took over for +5?
I don't know why you picked that time frame to be totally wrong about what happened while accusing everybody else on the site of not having a good memory.
I looked at that time frame after you pointed it out and was surprised to find the exact opposite of your claim occurred. I figured I'd see a bunch of chucking in that final 3:10 but I saw nothing but efficient play from him.
Don't get so bent out of shape, I've been reading a lot about memory. Your memory sucks. So does mine. So does everybody's.
Haven't watched that game in a while but if I remember correctly Matt was basically the entire offense in the first half. Other guys couldn't hit anything so they put him in iso and let him hit tough threes until Purdue finally found someone at the end of the half who could stop him.
Yes, but I'm willing to look at the documentary evidence and change my mind.
Burton wasn't the problem the last 3:10 -- the problem was the turnovers, and he didn't have one. You win there.
People's memory of the game is "Burton was killing them and Prohm held him back we should have won!"
The evidence just doesn't support that. Burton had one nice burst but he wasn't dominating the game before or after that and most of the comeback run was from three-point shooting and Monté attacking/passing out. Prohm stayed with that because it worked from 13:00 onwards, but it broke down at the end due to turnovers.
I have actual evidence of these statements, not just my memory, and the one statement I made that I relied on my memory alone I've renounced. I agree with you about memory -- that's why we have evidence.
And the evidence points to a more complex game than Burton somehow being prevented from winning it by bad coaching.
He only made two threes all game, though. Looks like he was mostly attacking the basket (7/7 from two).
My memory is probably as objectively horrible as yours is, but I don't remember us running Burton ISO from top of key the first 30 minutes of the game. I remember him taking shots, just not running that iso from top of key and abusing them like he did in final 10 minutes.
I wasn't even talking about the rest of the game or saying 100% of your rambling is false, just pointing out that you accused everybody else of not knowing what they're talking about, yet you remembered the final 3:10 completely wrong by your own account singling out that specific time frame.
Don't most states have laws requiring an autopsy for a "natural causes" death in someone under a particular age?
no, we had it right. When Young was on Swanigan and vice versa, they really had their way with us. When went small, and by that I mean specially line up Burton with Swanigan, it opened up everything for us on offense. He couldn't guard Burton at all. We had them, they hit a key 3 late in the game that bounced all over the rim area before it prayed it's way in the basket. That shot did us in. Specially if they would have made the Burton move earlier in the game, which I don't think happened until the second half, we would have beat them. Burton was fast enough and strong enough to guard him and he couldn't guard Burton. Thomas was the only one that kept us in the game until half time.I think this simple narrative is more legend than fact.
Prohm started with a "normal" lineup and went small pretty early. Young played 20 minutes, Bowie played 13, and Nick played three minutes. Every other minute was played by a guard (assuming Burton counts as one).
Purdue built and held a lead despite that. What changed the game around was hot shooting.
The Iowa State run to go from down 19 to up 2 consisted of...
Naz three
Monté made two free throws
Bowie two
Thomas two
Monté two
Jackson three
Monté three
Monté two
Thomas two (down three)
Burton two
Burton two
Burton three
Burton made two free throws
Thomas two (ties the game)
Burton made two free throws
Burton then, bless his heart, was "feeling it" and... shot the team out of the game. The scoring drought from 3:10 to 0:53 let a two-point lead turn into a three-point deficit, and they could not pull it out.
Iowa State possessions after being up two --
Burton miss
Monté turnover
Naz turnover
Burton two
Monté made two free throws
Monté missed three
Four points on six possessions = 0.67 points per possession... not great.
The deficit had already dropped from 19 to three by the time Burton started to go off, which was certainly helpful, but it wasn't enough to win the game. And often is the case with hot shooting, when it turns cold, things can go very badly for you very quickly, which was what happened the last three minutes of that game.
I think a more reasonable reading of the facts of that game is Purdue started strong, Iowa State made some adjustments to put more guards on the court, but Purdue maintained its lead until Iowa State unleashed hellfire from three (mostly Naz, Monté, and Jackson). But then the hellfire froze over, either from cold shooting or Purdue having made some adjustments back against the shooting-centric lineup, and closed it out after weathering the storm. It sucks, certainly, but I don't see any evidence that an immediate small lineup would have won the game. Indeed, it had its chance.
That same small lineup had a two-point lead with 3:10 left and managed to lose by four.
If I remember right we didn't get some timely rebounds. I think there was one on a Purdue missed FT that was a killer late in the game.
I only ever saw him in one game. But this is a really sad story.
I think it has more to do with whether it is unexplained or suspicious. If he did gain his bad weight back, maybe not needed regardless of age? Perhaps was under a physician’s care with known medical problems?
I only ever saw him in one game. But this is a really sad story.
It would not surprise me if the issue was he could no longer control his weight once we was away from the regimentation of school and basketball. Maybe sort of like the story of Jared Lorenzen --
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lorenzen
Short version -- quarterback who played for Kentucky, hung around the back end of NFL rosters for a few years for the Giants and Colts before dropping to the arena leagues for a few seasons, but once he was out of football, he eventually ended up weighing 500 pounds and died of heart failure at 38.
Being overweight puts all sorts of strains on your body and its ability to stay alive.
