AJ Green Leaves the Portal - Staying in Draft

[Sigmapolis]

I don't think there was a lot of it, i think tj went with it situationally but we seemed to play big more often than not.

MPG last year...

Conditt = 18.5
Jones = 12.1

I think those two were mutually exclusive last year. I don't think they shared the court for one second.

= 30.6

30.6 / 40 = 76.5% of the time "big" and 23.5% of the time "small"

Assuming "small" meant having Kunc or Enaruna/another guard as the titular 4-5 men.

Up to you if one-quarter is "a lot" or not.

 

[Clyde4cy]

Gotcha.

The only info I have on the change is that a few of the teams he worked out for wanted to see him against more consistent competition, going from seeing 12-15 good opponents to 22-25 is a big deal in their eyes.

He was able to separate what his heart wanted to do from the best business decision. That takes a ton of maturity and I'm glad for his future that he was able to do that. Now I have no idea if there is a final decision at this point but I think we all realize that the Big 12 is way ahead of the ACC. I can't imagine there's a two way deal on the table from anybody either.

I think you were presented with false info that you desperately wanted to believe. There was no big change of heart here. It was ISU or pros from the get go.

 

[cyclones12321]

I wouldn't mind Holmes coming off the bench if we get AJ. Some good maturity and scoring off the bench and he has some experience at initiating the offense

Would be “the dude” for the second unit and would still probably get starter minutes I would hope

 

[Sigmapolis]

Assuming Green is coming regarding the starting lineup...

LOCKS = Green, Osunniyi
OTHER TWO GUARDS = 2/3 of Holmes, Kalscheur, and Williams
STRETCH "4" = 1/2 of Kunc or King

The 2/3 competition up there is interesting.

Holmes is the best scorer. Kalscheur is the best defender and has the most experience with high-major basketball. But Williams has PG skills, which might be needed to keep Green off the ball.

I would guess this to start the year, though...

Williams
Green
Kalscheur
Kunc
Osunniyi

As I said, Green and Osunniyi are locks. Williams is out there as a PG to keep Green as a SG. TJ has demonstrated how much he trusts Kalscheur. And Kunc is incumbent at that spot.

 

[Pat]

MPG last year...

Conditt = 18.5
Jones = 12.1

I think those two were mutually exclusive last year. I don't think they shared the court for one second.

= 30.6

30.6 / 40 = 76.5% of the time "big" and 23.5% of the time "small"

Assuming "small" meant having Kunc or Enaruna/another guard as the titular 4-5 men.

Up to you if one-quarter is "a lot" or not.

I’m too lazy to look for it, but I’d guess those mpg numbers are much lower in conference play. I’ll say this: regardless of starters, this staff seemed fearless when it came to futzing with line-ups to get an advantage, even multiple times in one game.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I’m too lazy to look for it, but I’d guess those mpg numbers are much lower in conference play. I’ll say this: regardless of starters, this staff seemed fearless when it came to futzing with line-ups to get an advantage, even multiple times in one game.

Big 12 regular season only...

Conditt = 18.9 MPG
Jones = 12.2 MPG

Very little difference from the season averages -- about 30 seconds more.

Looks like it was "small ball" ~25% of the time last year in the Big 12.

 

[nallen34]

I don't think Williams will start. 9 ppg in the AAC converts to like 6-7 ppg in the big 12.

Green
Holmes
Kalsheur
Kunc
Osun

Williams
Grill
Ward
Watson in non con/King in conference

 

[enisthemenace]

I don't think Williams will start. 9 ppg in the AAC converts to like 6-7 ppg in the big 12.

Green
Holmes
Kalsheur
Kunc
Osun

Williams
Grill
Ward
Watson in non con/King in conference

Might be right. Only thing I was thinking is Williams is the closest to a PG and he’s a long 6’5” up top of that defense.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I don't think Williams will start. 9 ppg in the AAC converts to like 6-7 ppg in the big 12.

Green
Holmes
Kalsheur
Kunc
Osun

Williams
Grill
Ward
Watson in non con/King in conference

I don't think Williams is one of the five-most talented.

But he's the best option at PG if AJ expects to be playing off the ball and hunting his shot.

He's tall and long, too, and has a reputation as a hard-nosed defender. I think you're right in that he won't score much even if he was starting, but that isn't really going to be his role.

AJ needs to get Brockington-level buckets and there needs to be more from the big men.

 

[Mississippi Clone]

I don't think Williams is one of the five-most talented.

But he's the best option at PG if AJ expects to be playing off the ball and hunting his shot.

He's tall and long, too, and has a reputation as a hard-nosed defender. I think you're right in that he won't score much even if he was starting, but that isn't really going to be his role.

AJ needs to get Brockington-level buckets and there needs to be more from the big men.

agree and I think there will be considerably more from the big men, if we get AJG so we have an excellent outside scoring threat, and grill can be at times, and who knows maybe Gabe will have an epiphany and shoot more consistently accurately, notice i added accurately, I think he shot pretty consistently last year, they just didn't go in consistently LOL. I thjnk we add AJG we are gonna be good, potentially very good!

 

[Sigmapolis]

agree and I think there will be considerably more from the big men, if we get AJG so we have an excellent outside scoring threat, and grill can be at times, and who knows maybe Gabe will have an epiphany and shoot more consistently accurately, notice i added accurately, I think he shot pretty consistently last year, they just didn't go in consistently LOL. I thjnk we add AJG we are gonna be good, potentially very good!

Adding Green on Torvik gives them a preseason ranking of #32.

The team finished #43 last year -- so they could conceivable be better.

The Big 12 is an absolute bear, though. #32 only puts you in the 7th-8th range...

#1 Baylor
#9 Kansas
#15 WVU
#17 Texas
#25 Texas Tech
#27 TCU
#29 Oky St.
#32 Oklahoma (tied with updated Iowa State)
#43 Iowa St. (no AJ)
#183 Kansas State

Besides what should be two cupcake games against K-St, the other 16 games are all losable.

 

[cyfan92]

He’s the going to be the best and most experience defender on a defensive oriented team. Do the math.

I believe someone pointed out that Synergy rates Williams as a better defender than Kalscheur. Holmes and Williams are longer than Gabe. Holmes and Williams bot have 6'7" or greater wingspans. Gabe is talked about as an elite defender.. Where was he on the All-Big 12 defensive team??

IMO you cannot have both Green and Gabe as your starting backcourt. We need more ball handling as neither Gabe or AJ have A/TO metrics that look attractive with the on-ball pressure in conference. Williams was brought here to be a PG.

No matter who starts.. I would place a MASSIVE bet that at the end of the game.. Our backcourt is AJ, Holmes, and Williams for most nights.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I believe someone pointed out that Synergy rates Williams as a better defender than Kalscheur. Holmes and Williams are longer than Gabe. Holmes and Williams bot have 6'7" or greater wingspans. Gabe is talked about as an elite defender.. Where was he on the All-Big 12 defensive team??

IMO you cannot have both Green and Gabe as your starting backcourt. We need more ball handling as neither Gabe or AJ have A/TO metrics that look attractive with the on-ball pressure in conference. Williams was brought here to be a PG.

No matter who starts.. I would place a MASSIVE bet that at the end of the game.. Our backcourt is AJ, Holmes, and Williams for most nights.

I am just going to ask this...

Is AJ more of a PG or a SG or something in the middle?

I always thought of it him as a PG and thought he wanted to transfer so he might showcase himself as a scorer given his natural position in the NBA if he can make it would probably be as a SG.

But I looked at his career A/T results and...

A = 254
TO = 263

So he's career underwater on his A/T ratio. Compared that to the Greek god of A/T ratio...

A = 768
TO = 165

Yeah yeah Monté is not a fair comparison, but you don't need 4.65 to look better than 0.97 like Green.

So has he just been a SG the whole time? Did he play PG for UNI or was he alongside a true PG?

 

[cyfan92]

I am just going to ask this...

Is AJ more of a PG or a SG or something in the middle?

I always thought of it him as a PG and thought he wanted to transfer so he might showcase himself as a scorer given his natural position in the NBA if he can make it would probably be as a SG.

But I looked at his career A/T results and...

A = 254
TO = 263

So he's career underwater on his A/T ratio. Compared that to the Greek god of A/T ratio...

A = 768
TO = 165

Yeah yeah Monté is not a fair comparison, but you don't need 4.65 to look better than 0.97 like Green.

So has he just been a SG the whole time? Did he play PG for UNI or was he alongside a true PG?

He's a small NBA 2 guard. I believe his NBA feedback is get better with the ball in your hands to make it to the league.

Perfect SG for college.

Last year Gabe and AJ combined for 138 assists and 161 TO's. NO WAY you want 2/3 of your starting backcourt to be suspect with the ball... Aj gets a pass being a dynamic scorer and 39% 3 point shooter. I also don't want Gabe and Williams on the court much is Williams is coming off a 23% 3 point shooting year.. That's 2/3 of your backcourt that isn't a great shooter. Add in a center who can't shoot from deep..

Williams and Holmes had a combined 214 assists and 116 TO's. Add in AJ Green and it's 184 TO's to 291 assists. That is a backcourt with 3 guards capable of handling the ball. Holmes shot 30% from 3 against top 100 opponent's last season, is the same size (maybe longer) and can facilitate far better than Gabe. Would really open up the pick and roll game with Osun and those passer or an outlet 3 to Jaz and Tre King.

I like Gabe off the bench in a defensive lockdown role with a mindset to attack to rim. If you need shooting off the bench. Hopefully Grill can fill that role.

 

[Cyclad]

I am just going to ask this...

Is AJ more of a PG or a SG or something in the middle?

I always thought of it him as a PG and thought he wanted to transfer so he might showcase himself as a scorer given his natural position in the NBA if he can make it would probably be as a SG.

But I looked at his career A/T results and...

A = 254
TO = 263

So he's career underwater on his A/T ratio. Compared that to the Greek god of A/T ratio...

A = 768
TO = 165

Yeah yeah Monté is not a fair comparison, but you don't need 4.65 to look better than 0.97 like Green.

So has he just been a SG the whole time? Did he play PG for UNI or was he alongside a true PG?

I have several friends that are close to UNI basketball. They all say, he is a natural 2 guard. He can play some spot point duty, but he is somewhat turnover prone at the point position. His numbers suggest that. I think Williams is the obvious point, with backup by committee. If Green comes, he might still be the best backup option. Gabe played some - but that did not work well. Grill - incapable. Holmes - ? Might be a toss up with agreement.

 

[CyPunch]

Adding Green on Torvik gives them a preseason ranking of #32.

The team finished #43 last year -- so they could conceivable be better.

The Big 12 is an absolute bear, though. #32 only puts you in the 7th-8th range...

#1 Baylor
#9 Kansas
#15 WVU
#17 Texas
#25 Texas Tech
#27 TCU
#29 Oky St.
#32 Oklahoma (tied with updated Iowa State)
#43 Iowa St. (no AJ)
#183 Kansas State

Besides what should be two cupcake games against K-St, the other 16 games are all losable.

I completely agree with your starting 5.

Williams
AJG
Kalscheur
Kunc
Osun

Holmes 6th man

I would put us 5th-7th with the addition of AJ. I think we're ahead of Oklahoma and comfortably ahead of West Virginia and KState. I would put us in a grouping with Tech and Okie State as fringe top 25 teams.

 

[LLCoolCY]

I would be curious to know what the NBA scouts told AJ to improve on. If it would be specifically demonstrate PG skills I would guess hew was being sold on getting that role at ISU even if it isn't his Ideal role as a SG. Conversely if the NBA doesn't view him as a PG at all but want to see him defend SG and translate his MVC type numbers to vs the Big 12 defense then hell be the starting 2 Guard.
The whole reason he's not staying pro (we assume) is to set himself up to get at least a two way next year and would only commit to a place that he'd trust to set him up per the scout feedback.

 

[Stormin]

Are there Assistant Coaches in America saying they would really like to be an assistant to Steve Prohm because they want to learn from him? Can’t imagine Kyle Green was even interested in coaching under Prohm.

 

[Cjreimer]

I would be curious to know what the NBA scouts told AJ to improve on. If it would be specifically demonstrate PG skills I would guess hew was being sold on getting that role at ISU even if it isn't his Ideal role as a SG. Conversely if the NBA doesn't view him as a PG at all but want to see him defend SG and translate his MVC type numbers to vs the Big 12 defense then hell be the starting 2 Guard.
The whole reason he's not staying pro (we assume) is to set himself up to get at least a two way next year and would only commit to a place that he'd trust to set him up per the scout feedback.

What is a two way?

 

[enisthemenace]

What is a two way?

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