***Official 2022 Transfer Thread***

WhoISthis

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Not completely on board with your thinking, but I get the point about borrowing, and there might be an ROI, especially compared to going out of business. I do know you will not fill Hilton or the Jack without competitive teams. It does not take long either - a couple bad years. Donations will also decline. You have provided a lot to think about.
So, I suppose to make that work we need the donors to switch to NIL, and borrow to fill the athletic shortages. Seems like that might work for some period of time. Perhaps not long term sustainable. Things likely get much worse for us with next TV contacts - as our budget shortfalls will grow. Without significant new donor dollars (unlikely) I am not sure it is sustainable.
I think we have to- if there is a donation increase we may be able to squeeze out of our over-squeezed, it is the extra costs of leveraging the future (borrowing) to stay above the cull line, until some form of sanity hits.
There will be market corrections. Bama does not want Arkansas to be able to spend their way to parity.

And we must think outside the box. The AD and the University. And get political to make the BOR allow it.

We need to be a leader in getting outside developers to pick up the cash issues we have. So many more people have a benefit in ISU being a high major school than JP. Yet only his cash right now. Think Pollard and Light but in the SEZ, and now NEZ (I also dreamed about redoing the press box with a multipurpose but admittedly that has faded in the last 15 years as we face death). No more valuable RE than Hilton, so do a public-private deal there too.

Maybe even programs themselves. In essence, you're asking for investors rather than donors. We spend to our means. If we lock in cost coverage assurances- say at an index of the average P5 MBB budget plus the department fixed costs we extract from MBB revenue- we can give upside. If you're a group of donors-turned-investors- at least now you have a chance to make money, and the risk of giving a lot less. It is not an option (they know the indexed cost).

The absolute frustrating thing is that others built their wealth often by having more state money, and getting things like multipurpose. Now, if JP were to propose the AD and University share the costs, the AD getting a favorable back-loaded lease of a multiple purpose NEZ that added revenue to the AD, people would lose their minds. Instead the AD will struggle, ISU's brand will fade, meanwhile the University has to find ground to build separate million dollar facilities.

I am not anti-JP, but he is too conventional. So I love the PnL approach he is doing. We need that across the entire AD.
 

WhoISthis

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You brought up the university facilities. The lead naming donors that lay down millions for these projects do not expect any ROI. Comparing the funding process for these projects to asking a financial institution for loans so you can give away millions to 18 year olds is really a stretch.
No, I brought up that ROI is not needed to secure these loans when you said financing would be tough.
Good, so you've given up on the naming rights expecting ROI. It is not about ROI.

Again, tell me how the loan for this has any less ROI than the construction loan on the practice facility?

How do you think we were going to get a loan to pay off the expected Covid shortfalls? What ROI were we pointing to?

This is entry level corporate finance. America loves debt. It won't be an issue.
 

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No, I brought up that ROI is not needed to secure these loans when you said financing would be tough.
Good, so you've given up on the naming rights expecting ROI. It is not about ROI.

Again, tell me how the loan for this has any less ROI than the construction loan on the practice facility?

How do you think we were going to get a loan to pay off the expected Covid shortfalls? What ROI were we pointing to?

This is entry level corporate finance. America loves debt. It won't be an issue.
Who exactly is going to give you these 'no ROI needed' loans?
 

WhoISthis

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Who exactly is going to give you these 'no ROI needed' loans?
The same that gave a no ROI needed loan on things like practice facilities. Or Covid related budget shortfalls.

The creditworthiness of the AD and University will allow borrowing $2.5 million to secure needed headroom in the budget to prevent deterioration of the most revenue generating input and maintaining in high major athletics.

The uncertainty around the Big 12 is enough risk, for Iowa State to sit out a fundamental aspect of high major athletics, would be damaging our ability to pay for already incurred debt. In this hypothetical, just $2.5 million. just over 2.5% of the budget.


Please, think about what you're arguing- that an entity with a $90+ million dollar budget, is going to jeopardize its future because $2.5 million more is untenable. Even more it is going to risk defaulting all the debt in that $90 million, because you think it can't or won't pick up the amortization on $2.5 million? All on what most greatly determines revenue growth? Is is crazy.
 

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The same that gave a no ROI needed loan on things like practice facilities. Or Covid related budget shortfalls.

The creditworthiness of the AD and University will allow borrowing $2.5 million to secure needed headroom in the budget to prevent deterioration of the most revenue generating input and maintaining in high major athletics.

The uncertainty around the Big 12 is enough risk, for Iowa State to sit out a fundamental aspect of high major athletics, would be damaging our ability to pay for already incurred debt. In this hypothetical, just $2.5 million. just over 2.5% of the budget.


Please, think about what you're arguing- that an entity with a $90+ million dollar budget, is going to jeopardize its future because $2.5 million more is untenable. Even more it is going to risk defaulting all the debt in that $90 million, because you think it can't or won't pick up the amortization on $2.5 million? All on what most greatly determines revenue growth? Is is crazy.

Usually those buildings are financed with bonds. So you think the AD is going to take out more bonds to finance the payment to players?
 

WhoISthis

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Usually those buildings are financed with bonds. So you think the AD is going to take out more bonds to finance the payment to players?
Yes, I did mention creditworthiness.

Absolutely, if needed so that they can "redirect" current fan spending and donations to NIL fund, which as of right now can only be funded that way. It is basically needed to protect the ability to pay off existing debt, let alone compete, or finance building things.

What conference do you see ISU in if we're not able to keep up in NIL or pay-to-play? What is the revenue from that conference?

You don't rapidly contract a $90+ million AD or willingly take a huge step down over $2.5 million (in this example).
 

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Yes, I did mention creditworthiness.

Absolutely, if needed so that they can "redirect" current fan spending and donations to NIL fund, which as of right now can only be funded that way. It is basically needed to protect the ability to pay off existing debt, let alone compete, or finance building things.

What conference do you see ISU in if we're not able to keep up in NIL or pay-to-play? What is the revenue from that conference?

You don't rapidly contract a $90+ million AD or willingly take a huge step down over $2.5 million (in this example).
Rough details out for We Will. We will take a different path. Appears - much less money and you must earn it through a charity. I do not know if this will keep us competitive, but seems to recognize we cannot compete $ wise with the big boys. Also - kind of taking the moral high ground. Hope it works. Know several board members - good group. Fingers crossed - go clones. I will contribute what I can.
 
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