Tyrese Hunter Entering the Transfer Portal - NIL Speculation

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But the coach that recruited and signed Hunter is gone, we fired him, was that good for Hunter?

Very true. There's nothing "unfair" about this at all.

It's the spin that it's somehow not going to affect the health of college basketball/football that I'm skeptical of.

Most fair would probably be college sports slowly dissolving away and the NBA and NFL bring in talent in a similar way to European soccer and MLB if we really want the most fairness. The NIL structure is built on the backs of tax payers and Joe Shmoe students building up these brands.

Sever that connection to really get the most economic freedom in sports. Pro sports sign/develop all the young promising talent and college sports pick up the scraps, a few hundred locals and friends/family can still enjoy college sports.
 

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I guess I'm intrigued by the idea that a blueblood school equates big donors. Does KU really have that much bigger of donor base than us? Even UNC?

I'm honestly asking. I get they are historically great basketball schools. But what about their universities lends to them having more big money behind them?

I always wonder this myself.
 

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I don't believe that a player who was recruited to play sports can be granted academic scholarships or that would be a way to go over the scholarship limits.
Student-athletes can receive merit based aid (academic scholarships) and need based aid (Pell Grant) without this aid counting toward NCAA scholarship limitations.
 

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What schools would you say play a comparable style to ours? Have they had any guys make it to the NBA?
TJ played the style he had to with the players he had. Who knows what style he’d play with different players. Even 650k TH isn’t a prolific scorer
 

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Student-athletes can receive merit based aid (academic scholarships) and need based aid (Pell Grant) without this aid counting toward NCAA scholarship limitations.
Certainly the Paul Shirley National Merit scholarship can be awarded fairly.
 

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Another potentially serious problem will soon rear its ugly head. NIL requires, by its nature, coaching involvement in arranging players and payers. Sooner rather than later, allegations will be made about Coach X receiving payment/donation from the payers or, god forbid, the players as “compensation” (read - kick back) or “reward” for making the “proper” pairing between payer and player.
Very soon gambling interests will become involved in NIL. Players will be bought and sold to the highest bidders. Huge bets will be made on college bball games. When this kind of money gets involved, cheating closely follows.
NIL, for all its good intentions, may very well be the beginning of the end of intercollegiate athletic competition as we’ve known it to be.
 

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TJ played the style he had to with the players he had. Who knows what style he’d play with different players. Even 650k TH isn’t a prolific scorer

Gotta wonder if TH's figure becomes public if it becomes the Christian Kirk deal for CBB where a bunch of guy start looking around and thinking "**** if he's worth that much what am I worth?"
 

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TJ played the style he had to with the players he had. Who knows what style he’d play with different players. Even 650k TH isn’t a prolific scorer

With the 2 commits we've landed and who we've been linked to, do you think we're going away from last year's style?
 

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I guess I'm intrigued by the idea that a blueblood school equates to big donors. Does KU really have that much bigger of donor base than us? Michigan State? UNC?

I'm honestly asking. I get they are historically great basketball schools. But what about their universities lends to them having more big money behind them? It's not like they are Stanford or something with a rolodex of billionaire alums.
Honestly dumb luck in sparty's case, at least when it comes to athletic donations. We have 2 med schools, a law school, and a vet school but while our business school is good its no where close to the Michigan or Northwesterns of the world which is where the real money is at. The fact that one of our billionaires is barely 40 and played for izzo is where a lot of the money is coming from. Our alumni base is larger and has always donated well so it helps but the billionaires being big sports fans really helps.
 
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Another potentially serious problem will soon rear its ugly head. NIL requires, by its nature, coaching involvement in arranging players and payers. Sooner rather than later, allegations will be made about Coach X receiving payment/donation from the payers or, god forbid, the players as “compensation” (read - kick back) or “reward” for making the “proper” pairing between payer and player.
Very soon gambling interests will become involved in NIL. Players will be bought and sold to the highest bidders. Huge bets will be made on college bball games. When this kind of money gets involved, cheating closely follows.
NIL, for all its good intentions, may very well be the beginning of the end of intercollegiate athletic competition as we’ve known it to be.
This is 100% not true, at least the first part about coaches involvement, that is what an NIL dept is for.
 
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Not exactly sure.
So most of the players get max pell grants, which means they also receive other grants most likely? So by the time it’s done most are pulling 10-12k in free cash while at college? Makes me feel less sorry for them.
 
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TJ played the style he had to with the players he had. Who knows what style he’d play with different players. Even 650k TH isn’t a prolific scorer
That's opens another question, if TH is being paid $650k and not producing to that level of pay what do fans and fellow players think and how do they react?
 

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Honestly dumb luck in sparty's case, at least when it comes to athletic donations. We have 2 med schools, a law school, and a vet school but while our business school is good its no where close to the Michigan or Northwesterns of the world which is where the real money is at. The fact that one of our billionaires is barely 40 and played for izzo is where a lot of the money is coming from. Our alumni base is larger and has always donated well so it helps but the billionaires being big sports fans really helps.
What does this have to do with ISU men's basketball?
 

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What does this have to do with ISU men's basketball?
Someone specifically asked the question below so I answered

"I guess I'm intrigued by the idea that a blueblood school equates to big donors. Does KU really have that much bigger of donor base than us? Michigan State? UNC?
I'm honestly asking. I get they are historically great basketball schools. But what about their universities lends to them having more big money behind them? It's not like they are Stanford or something with a rolodex of billionaire alums."
 
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We are gonna need a Reader's Digest version of this thread about every hour it looks like.
 

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Really? Last time I looked if I get a full academic scholarship or music scholarship that doesn't make me a university employee.

If your argument switches to athletes deserve to share in the billions that Athletic Departments bring in. Then what about the students, assistants who work in research disciplines that bring in hundreds of millions to ISU's Vet Med, Engineering or Ag Colleges? Should they hold out for a bigger cut of Grant Money?
Where are you getting it was contended they’re employees because of the scholarship? What a pathetic strawman.

The scholarship is just the current pay for the employee because of draconian regulations.

What makes them employees is being the most critical human capital (employees) in one of university’s revenue generating activities

It’s not about what they deserve. It’s about what the market will pay. Whether that’s $200 or $2 million

Those people you list should get as much as the market will pay them. If there’s an arbitrary rule preventing them from making a lot more, let’s talk about that rule. What is it?

There’s a difference between holding out to remove a rule that will instantly lead to a more efficient market and more pay to the synthetically underpaid, vs holding out because you need to combine the commoditized labor (union) in order to actually have market value.

The massive recruiting industry tells you the athletes are not commodities like other employees
 
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So most of the players get max pell grants, which means they also receive other grants most likely? So by the time it’s done most are pulling 10-12k in free cash while at college? Makes me feel less sorry for them.
Exactly.

Here is a list of what I got along time ago:
1. Full Scholarship - Tuition, Books, Housing, Meals all taken care of (Housing is paid at the Dorm rate so if you find something cheaper you pocket the difference)
2. Pell Grant - Full amount available to use as spending money
3. NCAA Student Athlete Assistance Fund - $500/year to buy clothes
4. Cash for Sunday Dinner because it wasn't part of the meal plan
5. I also got an ISU Grant with was $600/year
 
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