Officiating travesty in Lawrence

[CascadeClone]

We should do some kind of statistical analysis of the objectively incorrect calls and their influence on every team's probability of winning. You could probably find a way to just check the numbers from those games verses objectively well called games and use Benford's law to see if there are any irregularities. I think it's obvious there is discrepancy. The really interesting thing would be proving it was implicit bias/institutional bias.

There was something similar done on this in Euro soccer last year. The synopsis was that with no home crowds due to covid, the foul differential between visitor and home dropped. I.e. more fouls called on the home team and/or less on the visitors -- than when there was a crowd.

The crowd influences the refs to help the home team.

 

[CascadeClone]

I think you and I are making the same points although different ways. It is not level playing field so all the more reason we have to execute to a greater degree than we usually do. Every unforced error be it a stupid pass, blown layup, bad rotation on defense, missed free throw (particularly front end of one and one) has more significance in that game than say TCU at Hilton.

As my friend says (and he posts here so maybe he already said it): "vs KU, you gotta win by 10 to win by 2"

 

[CascadeClone]

Should we start the officiating travesty thread for the next KU game now or wait for it to actually happen? It could just be a few hundred videos of screw jobs until the actual new screw job happens.

Probably could be it's own Forum, along with In-State Rivals and Off-Topic.

Tuco can opt out.

 

[CYDJ]

Ah, I forgot about the whole last 2 minutes thing. Yes, you are correct. The refs were allowed to review that play. I wish they would have so this whole conversation wasn't necessary.

Actually NOT allowed to review it. They would have had to call it. Since they didn't, it was not reviewable. Which is a comment on why they missed it AND why the rule stands like that. When it is in question, you should be able to review, just like a 2 vs 3 call.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

There was something similar done on this in Euro soccer last year. The synopsis was that with no home crowds due to covid, the foul differential between visitor and home dropped. I.e. more fouls called on the home team and/or less on the visitors -- than when there was a crowd.

The crowd influences the refs to help the home team.

I think that's probably one factor and maybe it's the most influential.

 

[randomfan44]

FIFY

We've seen it called several times in ISU games and I don't remember seeing many (if any) notable times is wasn't called when it should have been.

McCormack gets them called against him frequently. It felt like Jamari Traylor got one called against him every game.

To be fair to the big guys, I blame most of them on the guards who don't pause long enough to let the big get set before they drive their opponent into the screener.

 

[randomfan44]

Hey dumb f*ck if the official would have called goaltending it would have been 100% reviewable... That's where the official HAS to make the call and then go to the monitor. To call that a clean block and play on was atrocious.

Literally no one here has called it a clean block. I completely agree with everyone that it was goaltending. You could see it on the replay pretty clearly and I have been consistent with agreeing with everyone here that it was a missed call that should have been made.

 

[CY88CE11]

McCormack gets them called against him frequently. It felt like Jamari Traylor got one called against him every game.

To be fair to the big guys, I blame most of them on the guards who don't pause long enough to let the big get set before they drive their opponent into the screener.

Again, I am not stating that the McCormack illegal screen was not a foul. I am only stating that it is rarely called despite happening a lot in every game. My memory is questionable but I do not recall any other illegal screens being called yesterday besides that one.

Lol. They're rarely called, so this one shouldn't have been called. But they're called a lot on KU, so that proves no preferential treatment. Classic Tuco.

 

[jcyclonee]

Lol. They're rarely called, so this one shouldn't have been called. But they're called a lot on KU, so that proves no preferential treatment. Classic Tuco.

 

[ZRF]

Keep seeing this everywhere. Our offense only needs to be as good as our defense allows it be. New players aren’t coming this season so I don’t know what you want to “fix”. The fix last night was to get one more stop and that’s how it’s going to be this year so stop whining.

We had one sequence where Jones got the ball low in the post, and made a move to score. The next offensive play Brockington went hard to the basket and scored. We have enough ability to pick our spots and have success. But you can't score if you don't even try (which was most of the game).

Point is there are too many teams that have the athleticism (seen it in all 4 conference games) to take away the easy baskets (half court and transition) which constituted the bulk of the offense for the first 14 games of the season. We NEED some semblance of a half court offense if we want to win these games. Saying "we needed one more stop" isn't realistic when the defense more than carried it's weight. The reason we lost is we have no plan on offense once the easy buckets are eliminated. It's not sustainable, at least not in this conference.

 

[madguy30]

We had one sequence where Jones got the ball low in the post, and made a move to score. The next offensive play Brockington went hard to the basket and scored. We have enough ability to pick our spots and have success. But you can't score if you don't even try (which was most of the game).

Point is there are too many teams that have the athleticism (seen it in all 4 conference games) to take away the easy baskets (half court and transition) which constituted the bulk of the offense for the first 14 games of the season. We NEED some semblance of a half court offense if we want to win these games. Saying "we needed one more stop" isn't realistic when the defense more than carried it's weight. The reason we lost is we have no plan on offense once the easy buckets are eliminated. It's not sustainable, at least not in this conference.

You can tell there's a plan; ISU is too limited in overall offensive skillset to carry it out and have a hard time adjusting.

 

[cyclonestunners]

We had one sequence where Jones got the ball low in the post, and made a move to score. The next offensive play Brockington went hard to the basket and scored. We have enough ability to pick our spots and have success. But you can't score if you don't even try (which was most of the game).

Point is there are too many teams that have the athleticism (seen it in all 4 conference games) to take away the easy baskets (half court and transition) which constituted the bulk of the offense for the first 14 games of the season. We NEED some semblance of a half court offense if we want to win these games. Saying "we needed one more stop" isn't realistic when the defense more than carried it's weight. The reason we lost is we have no plan on offense once the easy buckets are eliminated. It's not sustainable, at least not in this conference.

... You're basing this analysis after playing the top three defensive teams in the league, one of which we had a great offensive night besides from 3.

 

[Pitt_Clone]

Sorry if this has been covered, but was Grill's shot originally called a 3 and then changed on review? I thought it had been called a 2 and they didn't see enough to change it. If they called it a 3 and then changed it that just adds to the pile of horrendous ******** at the end of that game. There was nothing conclusive in any of the video to change the call on the floor either way. At least in the angles they showed.

 

[MLawrence]

Ahhhh, Lawrence.

You rang?

 

[Cyclones1969]

You can tell there's a plan; ISU is too limited in overall offensive skillset to carry it out and have a hard time adjusting.

With only one guy capable of initiating a half court offense, it makes it tough to avoid scoring droughts against good defenses.

 

[madguy30]

With only one guy capable of initiating a half court offense, it makes it tough to avoid scoring droughts against good defenses.

Yep.

The call for more creativity etc. reminds me of the same in football season when the answer is to have better players (Oline, Post) and things can be super simple and easier with those as prerequisites.

Love how this team plays so can't complain and would love to see them rewarded in March.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Yep.

The call for more creativity etc. reminds me of the same in football season when the answer is to have better players (Oline, Post) and things can be super simple and easier with those as prerequisites.

Love how this team plays so can't complain and would love to see them rewarded in March.

The effort is off the charts. Any failures have been a result of limitations from not being able to fully recruit his own roster

There should be no complaints about this group, regardless of what happens.

 

[BCClone]

810 sports did some research once and came up with the conclusion every home team gets better calls from the officials and the bigger the crowd the more likely that is to happen. That being said, the blown goaltend was the worse miss I've seen in a long time. Those three were not good.

Then explain that Kansas/ISU game at Hilton.

 

[PAClone]

There was something similar done on this in Euro soccer last year. The synopsis was that with no home crowds due to covid, the foul differential between visitor and home dropped. I.e. more fouls called on the home team and/or less on the visitors -- than when there was a crowd.

The crowd influences the refs to help the home team.

Sports Illustrated had an article many years ago where they did research on the home field advantage in several sports. In all cases, it came down to the officiating. Whether calling balls and strikes or fouls, it was determined that human nature makes you subconsciously want to have thousands of people cheering instead of wanting to take your head off. Happens just enough on close calls to give the home team a 3 or 4 point ( don’t remember the exact number) advantage in basketball.

 

[davegilbertson]

because most football leagues have divisions. We did everything and more than Iowa ever did to win a conference title. They never won one with a top 20 SOS and before the the era of championship games, they always tied for the title with the team they DIDN'T PLAY!!!

More just making the point that similar to how number 1 seeds in marxh madness don't secure a title, but they have to play the tournament, the same should be true for basketball. Especially given there are conference tournaments and post season tournaments to decide.

Seems kind of silly to hang regular season accomplishments in the rafters saying "look, we secured the best position for a tournaments we didn't win!"