What? The angle from the opposite baseline a foot above the floor with heavy glare wasn't clear enough?
Officiating travesty in Lawrence
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What? The angle from the opposite baseline a foot above the floor with heavy glare wasn't clear enough?
First view they showed on TV from the side looked like a 3. 2nd view from the from looked like the toe of his shoe was over the line. Both views were zoomed out pretty far. The issue might have been perspective. The toe of his shoe might have been overhanging the line, which made it appear as if it where over from a view to the front and above. But, was not actually over the line. I don't know how they over turned that if the original call was a 3.
Is there a screenshot of this somewhere? Was at game and in the opposite corner, so I couldn't get a good look, just curious on how close this actually was.
I believe she was calling time (more or less). 3 pointer is signified with one hand up on attempt and with 2 hands raised on completion. She actually pointed at the ground (signifying a 2 point attempt (I think), when Grill took the shot. I think she put her hand up to stop the clock after timeout was called. Noone watching the play gave us the 3 pointer initially.
Yeah, on TV I could see no official make a 3 call. I thought maybe I missed something when he said that.
It was interesting that the scorekeeper apparently didn't know what the call on the floor was either. I may be wrong but I don't believe they put any points on the board until the review was complete. Wouldn't they usually put up the points for whatever was called on the floor and then adjust as necessary after the review?
Why then was ISU originally given the 3 but then a point taken away? I believe 2 points was the correct call. Do you think it was the goodness of KU’s scorekeepers heart? I believe the woman has the hand up but then she moves out of the screen and I didn’t see if she put the other hand up.
I didn't think they put anything up on the board. I'll have to watch again, but I thought they didn't put anything up until after the review.
That didn't happen. At least not on the TV. The onscreen graphic didn't award any points until it was confirmed a 2. I've never seen it like that and may be because espn was not on site.
ESPN is wired into the boards in the arena. If it didn't show up on the graphic they didn't put them on the board.
That's really weird, you make a call and then review at the next dead ball.
The struggle was real last night.
I usually tape every game but you know ESPN plus. I could be wrong but I would like to rewatch to see for sure. I remember one of the announcers mentioning taking the point off the board. I am almost 60 so the eyes and the brain isn’t what it used to be.
DMac's arms were pressed down flat to the front of his body setting a screen. I can't believe you are seriously questioning that. If he stuck his elbow out and clipped the ISU player in the face, drawing blood, I would have fully expected him to be called for a flagrant.
Game clock and shot clock are data feeds. The rest is manual. If it didn't show up on the bug, it's because the person feeding the information didn't know.
This view and one where there were two players between the camera and Caleb's foot were the two they kept showing.
I’m sure they didn’t put the points up in the phog either, at least they wouldn’t for the opposing team. Remember the rule, once the points are on the board, we can’t take them off.
So, in your mind, slide stepping into a defender shoulder- first is OK. Changing directions and a defender running into your elbow with his face is a flagrant. Got it.
The CBS app gave us the three right away. Not sure why they would have unless they called it a three.
A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". This offense includes the former "intentional foul" of fouling an opposing player to prevent an easy breakaway score. In women's basketball only, the unsportsmanlike foul also includes contact dead-ball technical fouls. The penalty for a flagrant 1 or unsportsmanlike foul is two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.
Setting a screen is not excessive. He did not swing an elbow. He did not foul to prevent a breakaway score. It meets none of the criteria for a flagrant foul.
The ISU player swung his elbow during a live ball and made contact above the shoulders. Textbook definition of a flagrant.
Really, neither one of them should have been a flagrant.
Lol never change Tuco. You are truly one of a kind.
