Williams and Blum podcast

[Die4Cy]

A good one this week, even though CW was out. A lot of stuff on the plate.

Jared and Brent were discussing whether the number 28 or 15 should just be quietly retired, and both said it probably should because wearing it is too much pressure on the person who puts it on.

What I'd like to see them do is not retire them, but make them available to a running back or quarterback after they are named All-American. It honors the players and the number that way.

 

[Clonedogg]

Old man complaint, sounded like one of them was playing with a Slinky, Tambourine or Poker chips for the first half of the podcast. Annoying

 

[brentblum]

Old man complaint, sounded like one of them was playing with a Slinky, Tambourine or Poker chips for the first half of the podcast. Annoying

It's my dumb zoom connection. My apologies. Thanks for listening.

 

[ScottyP]

I think part of the number retiring is just that you need all of the numbers. I would rather they do some sort of ring of honor for the player instead.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I think part of the number retiring is just that you need all of the numbers. I would rather they do some sort of ring of honor for the player instead.

agreed. Keep those numbers open for the next guy coming up that wants to pick up the torch. Especially #28.

 

[Aduhbolu15]

I wanna hear the Dwight Howard stories!

 

[theshadow]

Football:
Stapleton made the decision to retire #30 on his own, and it was as much a "**** you" to Iowa as anything else (due to some recruiting shenanigans involving Mike Cox). I say unretire it.

There should be no number retirements in football. Already have 25-40 more players than available numbers.

Basketball:
Again, unilateral coach decisions muddy the waters. Bill Strannigan grabbed the mic after Gary Thompson's senior day game and just declared that nobody would ever wear #20 again. Which was all well and good until people retired/moved on/forgot about it, and #20 got issued to Eli Parker 27 years later. Then the old timers came out of the woodwork and raised a stink.

Retiring a number in MBB or WBB should require an incredibly stringent criteria that only the elite of the elite could attain. Until the NCAA relaxes legal jersey numbers like the NBA, there are a finite amount of numbers (36) that can be used. ISU MBB has already effectively taken 5 of those off the board. WBB has retired 4 jerseys, but of those only 1 or 2 numbers appear to be out of circulation.

 

[Urbandale2013]

Football:
Stapleton made the decision to retire #30 on his own, and it was as much a "**** you" to Iowa as anything else (due to some recruiting shenanigans involving Mike Cox). I say unretire it.

There should be no number retirements in football. Already have 25-40 more players than available numbers.

Basketball:
Again, unilateral coach decisions muddy the waters. Bill Strannigan grabbed the mic after Gary Thompson's senior day game and just declared that nobody would ever wear #20 again. Which was all well and good until people retired/moved on/forgot about it, and #20 got issued to Eli Parker 27 years later. Then the old timers came out of the woodwork and raised a stink.

Retiring a number in MBB or WBB should require an incredibly stringent criteria that only the elite of the elite could attain. Until the NCAA relaxes legal jersey numbers like the NBA, there are a finite amount of numbers (36) that can be used. ISU MBB has already effectively taken 5 of those off the board. WBB has retired 4 jerseys, but of those only 1 or 2 numbers appear to be out of circulation.

Retiring numbers in football shouldn’t happen. Retiring jerseys can and should happen.

For basketball retiring jerseys can happen but be very very strict. Retiring jerseys should happen and we are way to strict right now on this.

 

[CyLyte2]

There should be no retiring of numbers. Only in some kind of extreme circumstance. Not just for being good.

 

[Aclone]

There should be no retiring of numbers. Only in some kind of extreme circumstance. Not just for being good.

In 1950, ‘70 or even ‘80, retiring numbers was understandable, and a justified honor.

All these years later, we have a better idea of the scale involved.

 

[STLISU]

Very enjoyable podcast. The flow of the conversation was excellent. Thank you

 

[every_yard]

Do we actually retire basketball numbers or do they just get hung in the rafters? Could some technically still wear that number?

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

It's my dumb zoom connection. My apologies. Thanks for listening.

Wait.... you're not playing with poker chips? Cause that is exactly what it sounds like. (I have a friend who is a serious gambler and does it all the time while were on calls. I know that sound....)

 

[theshadow]

Do we actually retire basketball numbers or do they just get hung in the rafters? Could some technically still wear that number?

That's where the semantics come into play.

MBB has retired 7 jerseys -- but coincidentally (or not), none of the numbers on those jerseys has been issued in a long time.

Last 14 - Hornacek
Last 20 - Eli Parker, 1985 (only one to wear it after Gary Thompson)
Last 32 - Ha-keem Abdel-Khaliq, 1997 (only one to wear it after Hoiberg)
Last 35 - Sol Harris, 1995 (Harris and Mike Bergman were the only 35s after Barry Stevens)
Last 44 - Grayer

WBB has retired 4 jerseys.
#42 has been given out a half-dozen times since Tonya Burns played (1982-85).
#32 has been given out 5 times since Welle played (1999-02).
Brittany Wilkins is the only #51 since Megan Taylor.
#53 is the only one of the four that hasn't been issued again.

 

[JM4CY]

That's where the semantics come into play.

MBB has retired 7 jerseys -- but coincidentally (or not), none of the numbers on those jerseys has been issued in a long time.

Last 14 - Hornacek
Last 20 - Eli Parker, 1985 (only one to wear it after Gary Thompson)
Last 32 - Ha-keem Abdel-Khaliq, 1997 (only one to wear it after Hoiberg)
Last 35 - Sol Harris, 1995 (Harris and Mike Bergman were the only 35s after Barry Stevens)
Last 44 - Grayer

WBB has retired 4 jerseys.
#42 has been given out a half-dozen times since Tonya Burns played (1982-85).
#32 has been given out 5 times since Welle played (1999-02).
Brittany Wilkins is the only #51 since Megan Taylor.
#53 is the only one of the four that hasn't been issued again.

How is the holy hell do you know all this stuff so quickly???

 

[qwerty]

How is the holy hell do you know all this stuff so quickly???

Because he IS THE SHADOW

edit: or she

 

[Clonedogg]

The Creighton win was not mentioned. Will that be a 1st quadrant road win? They just beat 'Nova by 20.

 

[NickTheGreat]

I am also okay with retiring jerseys, but not necessarily numbers.

 

[cyclones500]

The Creighton win was not mentioned. Will that be a 1st quadrant road win? They just beat 'Nova by 20.

Yes, Creighton currently is a Q1 win.

Thru 12/19 games, for ISU:
Quad 1: Xavier, Iowa, Creighton
Quad 2: Memphis
Quad 3: The empty set
Quad 4: And the rest (7-0)

 

[every_yard]

Yes, Creighton currently is a Q1 win.

Thru 12/19 games, for ISU:
Quad 1: Xavier, Iowa, Creighton
Quad 2: Memphis
Quad 3: The empty set
Quad 4: And the rest (7-0)

Blum misspoke on the criteria for Q1. It’s top 30 home, top 50 neutral and top 75 road.