Screwed in Morgantown

[iowastatefan1929]

People talk about the Texas fumble but no one talks about what happened on ISU drive before that, failed to put the game away. Seems like last week and this week have been different crews I have never seen, the regular big 12 crews are much more professional

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here was how wvu tied it up -- they went for it on 4th and 3 but snapped the ball like 2 seconds after the playclock expired

they probably would have attempted a field goal if officials hadn't missed that call (4th and 8)

Thanks for posting that, yeah none of those are outside the margin of error for officiating, just my opinion though, the baylor block was just a mashup of people, the toe of the right foot looked like it touched on the td to me, the fumble was darn close and the purdy dive was close. Nothing says people were paid off to me, sounds like the calls on the field were all bad but all of them should have been call stands.

 

[JUKEBOX]

I'll give you 10-14 on the PI call. This catch should have NEVER been a TD. you can see the bottom of his cleats and the into end zone look showed it pretty definitively for both feet. Terrible officiating all around, but we should never have made your QB look like an all conference performer. That is where the majority of the blame lies.

agreed the defense and line play is where the majority of the blame lies for the loss (although I think overall the offense probably played good enough to win)

there were one or two bad pi calls on wvu and a handful of bad calls against isu -- I think more bad against the cyclones

there were enough calls that didn't go our way at critical points in the game to swing the outcome of the game -- buy hey, who knows, maybe we still would have lost anyway somehow

there's not enough transparency in officiating policy in the big 12 or ncaa, so you will have people complaining about referees/games rigged/etc. and there's not really any evidence that a regular fan would have to dispute that -- we have to trust that the internal policies in the conference are in place and working -- we can only observe trends that isu often gets the short end of the stick on controversial calls fairly regularly for whatever reason which contributes to our fans having a longstanding victim complex

if we play a little better sound defense (maybe if rose wasn't injured), this is probably a double digit win

 

[Bob f]

The Big 12 should be ashamed of itself. That broadcast & the officiating were absolute trash.

Reminded me of the movie idiocracy.

 

[byebye]

As I mentioned earlier, incompetence is the likely culprit in the poor officiating in yesterday's game, but this morning I'm not above saying a little piece of me feels like this could be payback from Big 12 refs or the conference itself for the (very deserved) drubbing they received online & in the media for last week's taunting call.

I'm interested in learning how & when officiating crews are assigned to games.

 

[Gunnerclone]

That is was damn close. Ref was in position. standing right there. The foot may be a few inches above the ground, but cby no means the worst call ive ever seen. not even close.

refs were bad though. Worst crew ive ever seen, especially the line judge.
It was obvious they'd never worked together before.

ISU is a tough out for anyone. Wish the game had been called clean--it wasnt. But WVU arguably had a 14 point turnaround on the ridiculous OPI call.

Good luck the rest of the way. BEAT the Traitors.

Hopefully in a few years we can get you guys a buy game when you’re in the AAC.

 

[Gunnerclone]

As I mentioned earlier, incompetence is the likely culprit in the poor officiating in yesterday's game, but this morning I'm not above saying a little piece of me feels like this could be payback from Big 12 refs or the conference itself for the (very deserved) drubbing they received online & in the media for last week's taunting call.

I'm interested in learning how & when officiating crews are assigned to games.

Good luck. Seems like this type of info is treated like the nuclear codes.

 

[HFCS]

If we are honest, there was really bad call on WVU offensive PI that likely would've led to them scoring at least 3 but turned into 7 for us next play. That is a 10-14 point swing too.

replay reviews are inexcusable to get that wrong, as is ignoring the play clock.

you can put purdy’s 3 yard spotting error in with a bad PI call, but even that spot error is an objectively wrong thing compared to holding and pi that can be subjective

we got screwed and some like to be morons and pretend a team needs to play a perfect A+ game to get screwed

 

[SolarGarlic]

As I mentioned earlier, incompetence is the likely culprit in the poor officiating in yesterday's game, but this morning I'm not above saying a little piece of me feels like this could be payback from Big 12 refs or the conference itself for the (very deserved) drubbing they received online & in the media for last week's taunting call.

I'm interested in learning how & when officiating crews are assigned to games.

They aren't that organized. We just ran into a group of idiots who didn't have the balls to overturn obvious replays in the face of that crowd and WVU sideline.

 

[HFCS]

They aren't that organized. We just ran into a group of idiots who didn't have the balls to overturn obvious replays in the face of that crowd and WVU sideline.

but they jumped at the chance to reverse their call on the field of TD according to the official with the worst view

a lot of rationalizing here, we got screwed haaaaaaaaaard

it doesn’t matter if it wasour A game or a D-, way too many blown calls, especially blown replays on wvu TDs and stealing a TD from ISU

How on earth the booth upstairs can’t instantly call every delay game penalty is beyond me. If we can’t do that I’d just prefer a complete ban of all technology except broadcasting.

they kick a FG there if the most objective and obvious of penalties is called. 4-7 point swing. That’s before getting into the criminal reviews

 

[jdoggivjc]

Never, ever put yourself in the position to depend on the refs...not a good strategy. Bottom line was the D...make two stops on two drives...we win. That was the same ole ISU that repeatedly gave up 3rd and longs...WV was nearly perfect on those.

You know, you say this - and yet refereeing caused a 21-point swing. Little hard it to not be in a position where refs decide a game when the refs are causing that much carnage.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

They aren't that organized. We just ran into a group of idiots who didn't have the balls to overturn obvious replays in the face of that crowd and WVU sideline.

If home town crowds and coaches scare yesterday's crew from calling the game right, then I'd like to see them at the Jack next week against Texas. Think they would grow a pair in front of the ISU fans and coaches?

 

[SolarGarlic]

but they jumped at the chance to reverse their call on the field of TD according to the official with the worst view

a lot of rationalizing here, we got screwed haaaaaaaaaard

it doesn’t matter if it wasour A game or a D-, way to many blown calls, especially blown replays on wvu TDs and stealing a TD from ISU

How on earth the booth upstairs can’t instantly call every delay game penalty is beyond me. If we can’t do that I’d just prefer a complete ban of all technology except broadcasting.

they kick a FG there if the most objective and obvious of penalties is called. 4-7 point swing. That’s before getting into the criminal reviews

I'm not too bent out of shape about the delay of game. That happens often.

I'm not rationalizing at all. We got screwed. Multiple times. The "catch" in the back of the end zone was the most infuriating to me. I could tell in live play he didn't get a foot down. Then I watched the first replay and could tell he never got a foot down. Then I watched two more angles that showed me the same thing. These idiots looked at it 10 times and still came away with him getting a foot down? Just infuriating. One of the worst reviews I've ever encountered, and as an ISU fan, I knew every review was going to stand. They were gutless morons.

 

[SwirlyBird]

Never, ever put yourself in the position to depend on the refs...not a good strategy. Bottom line was the D...make two stops on two drives...we win. That was the same ole ISU that repeatedly gave up 3rd and longs...WV was nearly perfect on those.

Go back to bed grandpa. You can play bad and get screwed by calls. The **** defense didn't tell the refs to make **** calls.

 

[HFCS]

I'm not too bent out of shape about the delay of game. That happens often.

I'm not rationalizing at all. We got screwed. Multiple times. The "catch" in the back of the end zone was the most infuriating to me. I could tell in live play he didn't get a foot down. Then I watched the first replay and could tell he never got a foot down. Then I watched two more angles that showed me the same thing. These idiots looked at it 10 times and still came away with him getting a foot down? Just infuriating. One of the worst reviews I've ever encountered, and as an ISU fan, I knew every review was going to stand. They were gutless morons.

the closest ref called that a TD and just got it wrong. No other ref ran in with a worse view and changed his TD call. Then the replay booth blew an obvious replay review.

so why when the officials with the best view gave ISU a TD…that actually likely was a TD, can the ref with the worst view run in and change their call.

this was way worse than OK State because it was four inexcusably bad calls against one team on critical scoring plays and potential game tying drive.OK st was just the one horrific call and ISU overcame it.

I think they’d also have overcome one or two really bad scoring play calls yesterdayeven with a poor performance. At some point it’s ridiculous to ask a team to overcome and we just need to be honest about mistakes on the level that they decided a game.

 

[t-noah]

here's the video with one angle of the breece hall fumble -- the officials signaled it as a touchdown on the field but then changed the ruling on the field to fumble before the review

then after the review said the ruling on the field stands (despite it looking like potentially the knee + elbow went down and maybe the ball passed the goal line)

this was after a string of questionable/toss-up/missed calls that all went against iowa state (that resulted in touchdowns for wvu)

I still think this was a bad call.

You could make a case if you were the refs, that he began to lose control when WV guy first hit the ball with his knee. Just one of those situations where on that particular play the worst possible thing happened. Not only was it called no TD but it was called a touchback as well. Instead of WV getting the ball at the 1 inch line.

The way the game was going we were not able to stop them from scoring again, if it was tied, most likely. If it went to overtime, I would have put odds on WV to win it.

It was just not our game. The refs clearly didn't help, but we lost that game. WV deserved to win the way we played and the way they played. They continually took advantage of our poor defense this game and did just enough to win.

Time to move on I guess. Definitely should have won this game, if played over. But we did not play well enough.

 

[t-noah]

The Big 12 should be ashamed of itself. That broadcast & the officiating were absolute trash.

I mean it should not have been in the refs hands, but yeah the refs really screwed us. I hate blaming the refs but woof, 2 weeks in a row some of the worst calls in history.

It should never have been that close. Our D was terrible. But wow the refs were bad. Our Defense lost us the game, the refs made sure we lost.

This was like one of those early bowl games, where a G5 officiating crew gets matched up in a bowl game between two P5 teams & you can tell that the game is moving way too fast for the officials to process . I cannot believe that the crew in today's game somehow got a job in a Power 5 conference.

Two glaring calls stick out to me:

1. The "fumble" on the touchdown run was never signaled on the field. The only signal on the field was a touchdown by the line judge on the ISU sideline. Then the ref comes out & announces that the call on the field was a fumble/touchback. How is it a touchback? For it to be a touchback, the ball would have to go out of bounds from the endzone, or WVU player would have to hold the ball & kneel. The terrible TV announcers were equally bamboozled as they were looking for Hall's knee down. The ball crossed the goal line in the hands of the runner who was not down. As soon as that ball crosses the goal line, "breaking the plane", a TD has been scored & the play is dead. The ball carrier does not have to continue to control the ball any further than the goal line. (This was eerily similar to David Montgomery's "fumble" in the Liberty Bowl.)

2. The second dubious call that had huge implications was Brock's run to the sideline. I fully admit, Brock's foot may have been out of bounds, but no official signaled that it had. Brock then lunges & extends the ball at least one yard over the first down line & his knee touches inbounds just before the first down marker. Either that ball is spotted where is foot went out of bounds (if it did), or the ball is spotted beyond the first down marker where it was when his knee touches since he was extending the ball forward, rather than sliding & giving himself up. Instead, the officials spot the ball where his knee went down, which is incorrect in any scenario other than sliding. The officials should have stopped the clock & reviewed the spot & whether or not he had stepped out of bounds prior.

In both of these cases, there was no definitive signal on the field from the officiating crew & it seemed like the head ref was simply making things up as they went because the game was moving to fast for them to process.

I will even admit that the PI call against WVU on the final drive was also the wrong call. PI should not have been called. In this case, ISU got away with one.

Also, let's not forget WVU snapping the ball when the play clock was well into double-zeros & passing for a touchdown.

It's clear to me that the talent on the field in pads & helmets far exceeded the talent in black & white stripes.

Also, the TV broadcast was absolutely atrocious.

The Big 12 owes both Iowa State & West Virginia an apology for both on- & off-field results of this game.

I agree. Horrible calls. We should have won if the calls were made correctly, maybe. Most likely. I give WV credit though. They played a good game against us. I can only say that today.

Would love to beat TexASS this week!

 

[SwirlyBird]

I still think this was a bad call.

You could make a case if you were the refs, that he began to lose control when WV guy first hit the ball with his knee. Just one of those situations where on that particular play the worst possible thing happened. Not only was it called no TD but it was called a touchback as well. Instead of WV getting the ball at the 1 inch line.

The way the game was going we were not able to stop them from scoring again, if it was tied, most likely. If it went to overtime, I would have put odds on WV to win it.

It was just not our game. The refs clearly didn't help, but we lost that game. WV deserved to win the way we played and the way they played. They continually took advantage of our poor defense this game and did just enough to win.

Time to move on I guess. Definitely should have won this game, if played over. But we did not play well enough.

You can play like **** and have **** calls against you. Why does playing like garbage justify trash calls?

 

[t-noah]

You can play like **** and have **** calls against you. Why does playing like garbage justify trash calls?

Didn't you already make this point a few posts ago? Come on man. I agree with you! I was just trying to express some thoughts, a day later.

I do believe we still should have won the game. I kind of believe WV deserved to win also with how they played, and how bad we played.

I guess I'm trying to justify somewhat. Is what it is. Not sure why we always get into fights with WV though. It's not like I love them or anything.

 

[Jayshellberg]

I still think this was a bad call.

You could make a case if you were the refs, that he began to lose control when WV guy first hit the ball with his knee. Just one of those situations where on that particular play the worst possible thing happened. Not only was it called no TD but it was called a touchback as well. Instead of WV getting the ball at the 1 inch line.

The way the game was going we were not able to stop them from scoring again, if it was tied, most likely. If it went to overtime, I would have put odds on WV to win it.

It was just not our game. The refs clearly didn't help, but we lost that game. WV deserved to win the way we played and the way they played. They continually took advantage of our poor defense this game and did just enough to win.

Time to move on I guess. Definitely should have won this game, if played over. But we did not play well enough.

I am not certain why the refs did my rule that Hall’s elbow or knee were down before the fumble. However, my guess is that they would say that call on the field stood because they could not tell WHEN the ball started to come loose because players were obstructing their view.

 

[jdoggivjc]

If home town crowds and coaches scare yesterday's crew from calling the game right, then I'd like to see them at the Jack next week against Texas. Think they would grow a pair in front of the ISU fans and coaches?

They're more likely to fist-pump Texas TDs.