Cannot wait to travel to Provo for our first game when they are Big 12 members! Their atmosphere on Saturday was electric
Big 12 Expansion (new thread)
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Big 12 3.0 updated SP+ rankings a/o 9/20/2021 at 12:15 PM
OU - 3
UT - 22
Cincy - 13
ISU - 14
TCU - 27
UCF - 31
BYU - 33
Baylor - 34
OSU - 42
KSU - 45
WVU - 47
TT - 48
Who cares after this as not many wanted them in
UH - 71 (Memphis is 61)
KU still plays FB?? - 120 (130 total in FBS, UNLV is 124)
OU - 3
UT - 22
Cincy - 13
ISU - 14
TCU - 27
UCF - 31
BYU - 33
Baylor - 34
OSU - 42
KSU - 45
WVU - 47
TT - 48
Who cares after this as not many wanted them in
UH - 71 (Memphis is 61)
KU still plays FB?? - 120 (130 total in FBS, UNLV is 124)
Once OU and Texas leaves this is still going to be a very solid conference top to bottom (minus KU). Unfortunately no elite teams though. Still think it's a better (actually play of football) conference than ACC and PAC.
They had a leadership problem (not just Scott, but his job was to get guide the presidents).
Perhaps the Alliance will function as a means for the BIG/BTN leadership to help Pac12N find a suitable deal that would result in some backer to get inmarket and better penetration , while also adding some inventory to increase valuation.
which is basically the BIG annexing 8-9 Pac12 teams, adding them to Nebraska/Iowa/etc and having a Pac12 side, with unequal revenue sharing. The Pac12 gets the incremental gain, which should close the gap a good amount. Even better, add ISU too, and keep the Pac12N and force fans to buy both.
If the rumors are true about the Big 12 poaching Pac-12 teams as phase 4.0 of the Big 12.. I'd love to poach CU, the AZ schools and Utah.
Having the Holy War as a conference game would make GREAT TV. Closes another state for recruiting as Utah population is growing fast
ASU is basically the big brother version of UCF
Arizona has passionate fans and is a premier basketball brands that helps close Arizona recruiting off more to non-Big 12 schools
CU gets a redo from their 2010 mistake.
Turning Denver, Pheonix and Salt Lake City into Big 12 country sounds REALLY FUN
Having the Holy War as a conference game would make GREAT TV. Closes another state for recruiting as Utah population is growing fast
ASU is basically the big brother version of UCF
Arizona has passionate fans and is a premier basketball brands that helps close Arizona recruiting off more to non-Big 12 schools
CU gets a redo from their 2010 mistake.
Turning Denver, Pheonix and Salt Lake City into Big 12 country sounds REALLY FUN
Is it just me, or does it seem like each passing day gives us a little bit more reason to be excited and a little less concerned about the newcomers?
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There is now way the B1G is taking that many PAC schools. The B1G tv contract will be on par with the SEC 75-80M. The new PAC deal has been rumored possibly 40M for tv. You don't take 9 brands commanding a 40M tv contract and merge it with a league getting 75-80M. The math doesn't work. I think the problem is only adding 4 to the B1G adds money instead of the B1G doing a 6 team expansion.
I have a hard time seeing the B1G take over 4 unless one of two things happen.
1. They strike out on ACC expansion and the SEC gets NC & Va to go to the SEC. The B1G will leave a spot for a minimum of 4 ACC schools plus ND.
I don't know if ND ever comes but I really could see 72-80 schools breaking off and forming a new division where there are no more games against leagues below them to improve the quality of games. ESPN may like this move because would the B1G stop expansion in the SE if states are not contiguous? Would the B1G jump over those states to add Ga. Tech, Clemson, FSU? Kind of doubt it but maybe Va. Tech is acceptable to start the bridge.
2. I still believe the B1G would only take 6 at most if they strike out on ACC expansion. Could the B1G take 6 PAC if they added at least 4 ACC schools including NC & Va? Probably not unless they are willing to go past 24 and would look at 26 or 28 but to do this, the B1G has to get ND in my opinion and would rather do that in a league of 24 instead of 26 or 28.
P12's #1 Oregon just beat B10's #1 in Columbus. I mean some of these arguments are senseless.
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UCF has 80,000 students, a huge campus in Orlando (obvious travel draw) and a legit program with a new stadium.
It's all going to depend on the next TV contract, if the money's still good, cool; if it's not, significantly less cool.
It's a big IF to be sure, but if it is true, I agree those 4 would be the ones I personally "like" the most from a competition, fun, geography, and cultural fit. However, from a "media" point of view (ie money and attention) they don't move the needle. ESPN/SEC will still crap all over it.
Big12 needs to start its own sports channel.
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Interesting Details Have Emerged From The Alliance's Plan (thespun.com)
I wonder if the big 12 will fall suit and drop to 8 conference games. Would be nice to gain another OOC home game each season.
I wonder if the big 12 will fall suit and drop to 8 conference games. Would be nice to gain another OOC home game each season.
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Get Denzel Washington to then say something like "Always bet on black in the Big 12" with our logo.
This has a ton of opportunity
The issue is if the Alliance does 8+1+1 (which is far from certain) the Big 12 is going to have more trouble playing good teams in the non-con. I think in that case, playing 9 conference games and trying to play an SEC team just about every year is going to be the move.
I'm also interested since the pac, b10, and ACC do not have equal numbers of members. I wonder if there will be a work around. I doubt Iowa wants to play 3 non conference P5 teams in ISU, Pac12, and ACC. 2 teams form the B10 and ACC will miss out on a Pac12 team. Which they may schedule with the big 12 or sec to fill the spot.
We've talked about this- the math works when it is unequal revenue sharing. Don't think of it as expansion, think of as the Alliance, but replacing BTN for the Pac12 Network.
The BIG gets whatever they would otherwise, likely close to $80 million, while also largely preserving the Pac12.
The Pac12 gets a bump from having culled the lowest 3-4 brands, more inmarket carriage fees, and higher brand valuations from new matchups and better time slots (see Oregon-OSU ratings).
As I've stated many times, there is an opportunity cost to the Big 10, that being adding 4-6 ACC schools, which that long being known as their preference (see Delaney's lust for UNC and UVa). They need to do that to prevent the SEC from being a P1 situation. But it won't be cost that is prohibitive from adding 8 Pac 12 teams. The Big 10 would rather sit at $80 million than awkwardly poach USC and Oregon with heinous travel, while killing the Pac 12, for a few million/year more.
