I think in the coming years conferences will be pushing for 9 maybe even 10 conference games (if conferences continue to expand). I don't see the opposite happening where conferences drop conference games.
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I don't see the big 12 wanting to make one division stretch 3 time zones. It will be a central/eastern vs Central/Mountain split.
A misdemeanor, maybe even a gross misdemeanor. Certainly not a felony.
Assuming (1) no attempt to keep together the Old-Big 8 and (2) putting two newbies into each division, this makes the most sense:
Division A (“East”)
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
UCF
West Virginia
Division B (“West”)
BYU
Baylor
Houston
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Division A (“East”)
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
UCF
West Virginia
Division B (“West”)
BYU
Baylor
Houston
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
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My only concern with this layout is you are cutting off recruitment to Texas. You'd fix that by putting a clause into scheduling that each school plays in Texas at least 1 time a year at a minimum.
Doesn't seem hard to work in. At nine conference games that leaves 4 games in the west division. At worse 2 Texas teams and one of those should be away. Even if you have 8 conference games you should be able to work in 1 Texas away game.
It's cause jack Trice's bleachers have a really low slope. So the stadium is wider and doesn't feel as crowded.
The more I think about it.. The more I prefer to lock into 2/8 conference games with protected games.
ISU, KU, KSU
OSU, TTU, BYU
TCU, BU, HU
WV, Cincy, UCF
Play 2 from the other "pods every year and mandate a 9th game against a p5 opponant that TV partners can set up to increase revenue.
ISU then gets to hold onto Cy-Hawk and get 2 buy games to host in Jack Trice
A diagonal split of east west makes much more sense and keeps TX in play for every team in the league. The split needs to divide the OK/TX schools evenly.
East
WV
Cincy
UCF
Houston
Baylor
Okie St
West
BYU
TCU
ISU
KU
K State
Tech
I'd really love to keep playing Okie St every year but I think this sets things up nicely for us to each own our respective divisions.
I would assume that the top 2 teams go to the conference championship instead of divisions? This would be interesting.
Diagonal does do a better job of overlapping Texas. It also throws off the balance of AAC newcomers (perhaps that's minor/unavoidable) . Maybe there's no ideal way to combine both aspects while maintaining a sensible geographic split.
Not as fond of that with our annual Iowa matchup every year. Basically we’re locked into playing the same P5 teams every year. Never get to challenge other teams.
I wouldn’t count on that Iowa game every year, unless they play it in Iowa City
I'd honestly rather not do divisions and just stipulate a few requirements.
ISU-KU-KSU-OSU always play each other. Protected rivalries.
Four Texas schools always play each other. Protected rivalries.
Cincinnati and WVU always play each other. Protected rivalry.
Everybody plays at least one game in either Cincinnati or Morgantown per year (Ohio recruiting).
Everybody plays at lease one road game in Texas each year (shouldn't be too hard with 1/3rd of the conference being situated somewhere in the Lone Star State) for the purposes of Texas recruiting.
Everybody plays at least one game in Orlando or Provo per year (mostly because that is a long trip for most of the conference, so only "burden" schools with it once).
Maybe some others I hadn't thought up, but I think that would be most of it.
No divisions. 9-10 conference games.
Best two schools play in Dallas for the Big 12 championship.
You could easily build a schedule that worked for everybody around those criteria.
That would make a hypothetical ISU schedule something like...
WVU
@ Central Florida
Kansas
OSU
@ Cincinnati
@ Houston
Texas Tech
BYU
@ KSU
ISU-KU-KSU-OSU always play each other. Protected rivalries.
Four Texas schools always play each other. Protected rivalries.
Cincinnati and WVU always play each other. Protected rivalry.
Everybody plays at least one game in either Cincinnati or Morgantown per year (Ohio recruiting).
Everybody plays at lease one road game in Texas each year (shouldn't be too hard with 1/3rd of the conference being situated somewhere in the Lone Star State) for the purposes of Texas recruiting.
Everybody plays at least one game in Orlando or Provo per year (mostly because that is a long trip for most of the conference, so only "burden" schools with it once).
Maybe some others I hadn't thought up, but I think that would be most of it.
No divisions. 9-10 conference games.
Best two schools play in Dallas for the Big 12 championship.
You could easily build a schedule that worked for everybody around those criteria.
That would make a hypothetical ISU schedule something like...
WVU
@ Central Florida
Kansas
OSU
@ Cincinnati
@ Houston
Texas Tech
BYU
@ KSU
Regarding the Texas-overlap noted by @heitclone and @cyfan92, if there’s a plan to keep 9-game schedule, that’d take care of itself most years.
If it went to 8 games instead, make East’s cross-division rotation this:
BYU, Baylor, Houston
Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas
—> One Texas team in each grouping is home/road (e.g., at BYU, Baylor, at Houston//BYU, at Baylor, Houston)
East’s rotation for West’s cross-division could be:
ISU, KU, KSU
Cincinnati, UCF, West Virginia
Side note: Hard to believe I’m typing the letters U-C-F while talking about XII scheduling. *Sigh*
If it went to 8 games instead, make East’s cross-division rotation this:
BYU, Baylor, Houston
Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas
—> One Texas team in each grouping is home/road (e.g., at BYU, Baylor, at Houston//BYU, at Baylor, Houston)
East’s rotation for West’s cross-division could be:
ISU, KU, KSU
Cincinnati, UCF, West Virginia
Side note: Hard to believe I’m typing the letters U-C-F while talking about XII scheduling. *Sigh*
Weve already lost some of our best rivalries due to realignment. We absolutely cant be in a division away from Kansas or Kansas State.
Give me KU and KSU at a minimum in our division and I won't gripe too much about anything else
I am guessing we've been talking to them on/off for years given we were a 10 team conference. They made some sense with OuT.
If similar to the old Big 12, we'd be certain of at least one game in Texas every year.
