The Next three to four years are going to be rough.....I really don't know if the remaining big 12 schools can stay together but at least now we know that ....
Texas Tech...Baylor and TCU, GOT TURNED DOWN BY THE PAC 12 CONFERENCE....
Big 12 Expansion - Looking at Numbers
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Texas Tech...Baylor and TCU, GOT TURNED DOWN BY THE PAC 12 CONFERENCE....
Big ten, a stitched together conference would be a disaster and the AD would suffer. You can’t go backwards on the money you make now you just can’t it’s not sustainable. You can’t go from 40+ million to 20 million or less.
If you make $30 an hour at your job then suddenly you make $15 an hour who here would be okay with that? Nobody, just like ISU can’t drop to half of what they make currently.
Once again - I agree. But if we cannot find a P4 home, this is probably the best alternative.
Not big time money, but better than the alternatives. I am pretty sure the powers at ISU will do everything possible to land us in a great place, but it requires an accepting partner. Many people seem to ignore that - you will not get in just because you want too.
The academies are a completely different animal all together and I think that will stay that way. I don’t see that changing for a lot of reasons.
Cyclonepride
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I typically pause throughout the game to let the dogs out, make lunch, etc, and then try to click past the commercials to catch up to real time. Sometimes I forget, and will be a couple minutes behind while I'm reading or commenting on social media about a particular play.
I have often had similar thoughts about ISU specifically. On the ISU website you can go through the history of all of ISU's games... but, I often thought that they should have links there so that you could re-watch the games. If no video is available, pictures, stories, etc. of the games. I agree, it would be great to have that platform at the conference level. But also think ISU could create a revenue stream. I know Cyclones.tv had some old games and I watched a few there... but I think linking that content to the rest of the cyclones.com site would have been better. Also, not sure if all of that is gone now with the ESPN+ deal? Or if Cyclones.tv still exists..
Yes.... I agree. I think this will come down to the remaining brands outside the sec. They can join a "super" division and see how it works out. Or they can set aside what is "best" for them individually (short term) and look bigger picture, partner with the other schools and conferences and set a new path forward.
If every school is focused on what is best for them now, we will end up with power conferences. If those outside the sec finally take a stand and try to do what is best for the sport, we may have something that still looks pretty similar to what it is now.
College football has no NFL structure that keeps the dallas cowboys and the jacsonville jaguars in the same game, playing by the same rules, and keeping things competitive. I am not looking for everything to be perfectly equal for significantly increasing parity in college sports. But I would like to see leaders emerge that will drive what is best for college sports and not force each school to act in their best interest at the cost of the collective good.
Cyclonepride
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Do you have a link to an article that asserts that they did? I haven't seen that.
It all depends how highly leveraged you are. That includes 'expectations'.
KidSilverhair
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I see this said a lot. “Iowa State athletics can’t survive financially in an expanded ‘new’ Big XII, or in the AAC! There’s no way they can withstand the loss of revenue! Why are we talking about adding BYU or Cincy or USF, it doesn’t matter, it would be unsustainable!”
Okay, obviously that kind of move would be a shattering blow to ISU athletics, I get it … but what’s the alternative? If the B1G and the Pac-12 decide to not grant membership, what’s your plan? Close up the athletic department? Go D-3 and join the ARC?
Come on, man. We‘ve got to keep our options alive. If the Hateful 8 can hang together, the possibility of adding BYU can help keep the Big XII as a viable conference … the others I hear mentioned (Cincy, Houston, UCF, USF, maybe Memphis) don’t add a bunch, but they don’t hurt a lot, either, at least not in comparison to joining the MAC or becoming a wandering minstrel independent program.
Of course we want a B1G invite. Of course we’d take a Pac-12 invite if that didn’t happen. But if neither one comes through, we don’t need the doom-and-gloom about how it’s “the end” for Cyclone athletics. It’s going to be different, it’s going to suck … but plenty of programs are making do at a MAC/MWC/CUSA level … and there’s no reason for Iowa State to sink down that far. Bringing BYU and maybe the best of the AAC would make a viable Big XII, with huge budget cuts, sure, but it’d still be a program, and likely still considered a Power Five, maybe.
It‘s not B1G or the athletic department dies. There are other, somewhat sucky options, but the Cyclones can keep playing big-boy football and basketball.
I think NIL will trump the equal stipends from the AD. The power schools all have ridiculous facilities funded by boosters and once those costs are covered the ongoing booster money will get funneled directly to football and basketball players thru NIL. Like the Miami health club guy paying each football player $500/month, only on steroids for teams like Alabama. If NIL remains ungoverned don’t be surprised to see the Alabama football team with a $20/$30/$40 million annual payroll. One player is already approaching $1 mil. And I don’t think the NCAA will be the governing body.
KidSilverhair
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Not just “one player,” but a player who has NEVER STARTED A COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME and has thrown a total of 22 passes in live action.
I get how big-time players feel like they should leverage their performance advancing the interests of their school into a financial return for them (it makes sense) - but having this NIL system result in a sophomore with zero career starts getting nearly a million bucks is insane. The donors for the big-time big-name schools are going to pay off huge for those players, whether they actually play or not. And that’s not good.
Cyclonepride
Thought Police
First time, long time...
Last week I was thinking about actual eyeballs on games last year, not just a convenient narrative. Did some digging and found the TV data from 2020 and parsed out the b12/b10 data from within the aggregate.
Granted last year was a COVID year so one could argue the data as a one-year snapshot is less accurate. On the other hand, one could argue COVID may had driven viewership as people hungered for sports especially in the B10 where schools were allowed VERY limited attendance.
It jumps off the page that the B10 does not have a TV contract; Ohio State has a TV contract that Michigan and WISC participate in and the rest of the conference has a parasitic relationship. The highest rated B10 game not involving one of the big 3 was Iowa vs Nebraska; but that game lagged the highest viewed B12 game that did not involve TX or OU, was ISU vs Ok State.
Can’t argue that ISU had three absolute TV dogs (Baylor, TCU and KU) but not a hard stretch to imagine ISU performing very well when compared to the B10 teams outside of their big three.
Sheet 3 - For some reason there is no data on the Iowa vs PSU game on 21 November so the data set is not absolute.
If you remove ISU’s most watched game (Fiesta) ISU’s average number of viewers was 500,000 HIGHER than Iowa’s. In fact, ISU had three REGULAR season games with more viewers than Iowa’s highest viewed game, Black Friday against Neb.
Can't attach a spreadsheet but here is where the data is found: https://www.statista.com/statistics/748033/college-football-tv-ratings/
A screenshot of ISU compared to iowa
Last week I was thinking about actual eyeballs on games last year, not just a convenient narrative. Did some digging and found the TV data from 2020 and parsed out the b12/b10 data from within the aggregate.
Granted last year was a COVID year so one could argue the data as a one-year snapshot is less accurate. On the other hand, one could argue COVID may had driven viewership as people hungered for sports especially in the B10 where schools were allowed VERY limited attendance.
It jumps off the page that the B10 does not have a TV contract; Ohio State has a TV contract that Michigan and WISC participate in and the rest of the conference has a parasitic relationship. The highest rated B10 game not involving one of the big 3 was Iowa vs Nebraska; but that game lagged the highest viewed B12 game that did not involve TX or OU, was ISU vs Ok State.
Can’t argue that ISU had three absolute TV dogs (Baylor, TCU and KU) but not a hard stretch to imagine ISU performing very well when compared to the B10 teams outside of their big three.
Sheet 3 - For some reason there is no data on the Iowa vs PSU game on 21 November so the data set is not absolute.
If you remove ISU’s most watched game (Fiesta) ISU’s average number of viewers was 500,000 HIGHER than Iowa’s. In fact, ISU had three REGULAR season games with more viewers than Iowa’s highest viewed game, Black Friday against Neb.
Can't attach a spreadsheet but here is where the data is found: https://www.statista.com/statistics/748033/college-football-tv-ratings/
A screenshot of ISU compared to iowa
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NO I do not have a link...I was reading an article re the Texas Senate Committee investigating the Texas OU move to the SEC...When this was stated that the Three Schools could not gain admittance to the Pac 12... (The statement from the Pac 12 was...."We are not expanding").....I really think that the Texas Pols are worried that the only big time school in Texas has just screwed the rest of the IN STATE SCHOOLS!
I would guess that most conferences said that right away, except the AAC who had been let in on things a bit, since they were caught off guard. They are getting an opportunity now to take it at a slow and methodical speed thanks to the remaining 8 not freaking out and scattering.
