Housing market

Not doubting you, but curious if you have examples.
Kickbacks. Nearly every contract I see now has 1-6% (sometimes a hair more) of seller paying closing costs. It is so common that appraisers have started ignoring the deduction. If a house is valued at 100k with 3k of kickbacks. It is supposed to be cut to 97k for value. It now is just forgotten about up to 3-6%. Seem sellers cover portions with second mortgages to get a deal done. Those are some of the things I’ve noticed.
 
Kickbacks. Nearly every contract I see now has 1-6% (sometimes a hair more) of seller paying closing costs. It is so common that appraisers have started ignoring the deduction. If a house is valued at 100k with 3k of kickbacks. It is supposed to be cut to 97k for value. It now is just forgotten about up to 3-6%. Seem sellers cover portions with second mortgages to get a deal done. Those are some of the things I’ve noticed.
Seller paid costs aren’t kickbacks. It’s totally acceptable per almost any mortgage product you go with whether it be conventional or fha.

what do you mean by seller covering portions with second mortgage to get a deal done?
 
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Seller paid costs aren’t kickbacks. It’s totally acceptable per almost any mortgage product you go with whether it be conventional or fha.

what do you mean by seller covering portions with second mortgage to get a deal done?
Whatever you want to call the kickbacks, it’s still the same. It is to be deducted off appraised value. Get 10k closing costs paid, it reduces the appraisal by 10k per standards. Except it has stopped happening because several houses wouldn’t make value.

I’ve seen sellers float a second mortgage on a house for 10-20k to help with down payment to also make sure the sale moves through. Guess I should say I’ve been told since sellers can tell you weird things as you walk through.
 
Whatever you want to call the kickbacks, it’s still the same. It is to be deducted off appraised value. Get 10k closing costs paid, it reduces the appraisal by 10k per standards. Except it has stopped happening because several houses wouldn’t make value.

I’ve seen sellers float a second mortgage on a house for 10-20k to help with down payment to also make sure the sale moves through. Guess I should say I’ve been told since sellers can tell you weird things as you walk through.

A "kickback" and a seller concession means totally different things to me.

I don't think I've ever seen a seller concession impact the appraised value either. It's disclosed, but I've never seen a value cut because of a concession.

I'm also not seeing wild financing for self employed borrowers either
 
A "kickback" and a seller concession means totally different things to me.

I don't think I've ever seen a seller concession impact the appraised value either. It's disclosed, but I've never seen a value cut because of a concession.

I'm also not seeing wild financing for self employed borrowers either

Per guidelines it is supposed to be a deduction for all the other comps which would drop the appraised value of the appraised house by the exact amount. Appraisers have basically talked and said it’s so common (and quietly also mention that it would kill several appraisals) so they just ignore them now.
 
Whatever you want to call the kickbacks, it’s still the same. It is to be deducted off appraised value. Get 10k closing costs paid, it reduces the appraisal by 10k per standards. Except it has stopped happening because several houses wouldn’t make value.

I’ve seen sellers float a second mortgage on a house for 10-20k to help with down payment to also make sure the sale moves through. Guess I should say I’ve been told since sellers can tell you weird things as you walk through.

i’m a little skeptical about that. First of all for the seller to take a second mortgage to help with a down payment is not an acceptable source of down payment for a buyer. Second if the seller is willing to pay the borrower money for down payment, wouldn’t it make more sense to avoid taking out a whole new second mortgage, paying closing costs, and hoping the borrower gets final approval through underwriting and instead just agree to reduce the purchase price?
 
Charter does like 2500 to list and 3% on back half. 18 months ago I sold my moms house and had to do 6%. Realtor was my wife’s closest friend so I could not negotiate.
The problem with doing a 3% on the back half, is he pockets the $2500, then there’s 3% left it’s supposed to get split between him and the buyers realtor. Most buyers realtors won’t even let their clients know that a house like that is even available to buy because they would be getting greatly reduced commissions. To simplify the buyers realtor would get less than 1 1/2% instead of less than 3% split two ways. so you’ll end up with fewer eyeballs on your property. In that scenario I would rather just sell it by owner or go to fsbo.com especially in such an easy seller market.
 
The problem with doing a 3% on the back half, is he pockets the $2500, then there’s 3% left it’s supposed to get split between him and the buyers realtor. Most buyers realtors won’t even let their clients know that a house like that is even available to buy because they would be getting greatly reduced commissions. To simplify the buyers realtor would get less than 1 1/2% instead of less than 3% split two ways. so you’ll end up with fewer eyeballs on your property. In that scenario I would rather just sell it by owner or go to fsbo.com especially in such an easy seller market.

I don’t think that’s how it works at all.
 
The problem with doing a 3% on the back half, is he pockets the $2500, then there’s 3% left it’s supposed to get split between him and the buyers realtor. Most buyers realtors won’t even let their clients know that a house like that is even available to buy because they would be getting greatly reduced commissions. To simplify the buyers realtor would get less than 1 1/2% instead of less than 3% split two ways. so you’ll end up with fewer eyeballs on your property. In that scenario I would rather just sell it by owner or go to fsbo.com especially in such an easy seller market.
Huh? With 6% it’s split 3/3 so there is no difference for the buyer side. If your house is over 100k, you will save money since the first half is locked at 2500 and not 3%. The only person it cuts is the seller rep.
 
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We sold a property FSBO with a note saying buyers agents will be paid. Saved $2,000 or so. The price needed to be right for us to pay them. I told two offers with agents no. They didn’t like that.
 
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The problem with doing a 3% on the back half, is he pockets the $2500, then there’s 3% left it’s supposed to get split between him and the buyers realtor. Most buyers realtors won’t even let their clients know that a house like that is even available to buy because they would be getting greatly reduced commissions. To simplify the buyers realtor would get less than 1 1/2% instead of less than 3% split two ways. so you’ll end up with fewer eyeballs on your property. In that scenario I would rather just sell it by owner or go to fsbo.com especially in such an easy seller market.

The 3% isn’t split, it goes to the buyer agent. Rather than 3% on the selling side too, it’s a flat fee.

Charter annoyed me on the old horrible podcast him and CW did but his program is great for selling, especially a higher $ home.
 
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Huh? With 6% it’s split 3/3 so there is no difference for the buyer side. If your house is over 100k, you will save money since the first half is locked at 2500 and not 3%. The only person it cuts is the seller rep.
Are you saying the seller rep gets none of that 3%? If so that’s definitely not true.
 
The 3% isn’t split, it goes to the buyer agent. Rather than 3% on the selling side too, it’s a flat fee.

Charter annoyed me on the old horrible podcast him and CW did but his program is great for selling, especially a higher $ home.
If that’s true thats a good deal. Why would Charter take $2500 and pass on 5 figures. Not buying it. Doesn’t pass the smell test. Not even close.
 
If that’s true thats a good deal. Why would Charter take $2500 and pass on 5 figures. Not buying it. Doesn’t pass the smell test. Not even close.

Just checked his website and verified the rate. He takes $2495 and the buyer's realtor gets 3%
 

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