NCAA- Supreme Court ruling

Why? They can just raise prices (ie tuition) to cover the taxes on their regular operations. Corporations don't pay taxes, folks, consumers do (at least most of the tax, in most industries). With education, and banks/government providing the cash... you'd see tuition go up 20% overnight and demand would barely drop at all because "someone else" is paying for most of that.

Alternately, they could spin off the AD as a taxable entity and leave EduOps as tax-exempt. That's even easier.

Is this a serious question? Enrollment is dropping at Iowa State and many other schools and an increase in prices will accelerate that. Plus, they are saving absolutely piles of cash by being tax exempt and will be unlikely to make up the difference. I don’t think your question was in good faith though.
 
Can't they just make it so that NIL income is not from the university but from individual companies and this whole hand wringing over tax exempt status flies out the window?
The Supreme Courts ruling was narrow, but the opinion by Kavanaugh basically said the NCAA can not prohibit schools from paying players. If they do they will get sued and they will lose. If nothing is going to stop schools from paying players schools are going to start paying players.
 
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The Supreme Courts ruling was narrow, but the opinion by Kavanaugh basically said the NCAA can not prohibit schools from paying players. If they do they will get sued and they will lose. If nothing is going to stop schools from paying players schools are going to start paying players.
I doubt many schools have any interest in taking profits out of their pockets and passing it to the players. My guess is that they want to see the players be able to be paid by outside corporations for the NIL.
 
The Supreme Courts ruling was narrow, but the opinion by Kavanaugh basically said the NCAA can not prohibit schools from paying players. If they do they will get sued and they will lose. If nothing is going to stop schools from paying players schools are going to start paying players.
KU men's basketball players have been getting paid for years... I'm guessing this will not affect them going forward.
 
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I doubt many schools have any interest in taking profits out of their pockets and passing it to the players. My guess is that they want to see the players be able to be paid by outside corporations for the NIL.
All it takes is one school to start paying to get an edge over other institutions and suddenly everyone is paying players. But I imagine players are going to unionize and collectively bargain long before that happens. It's going to happen, it's only a matter of how.
 
All it takes is one school to start paying to get an edge over other institutions and suddenly everyone is paying players. But I imagine players are going to unionize and collectively bargain long before that happens. It's going to happen, it's only a matter of how.
And NIL rights will likely be granted long before either of those things, eliminating the need for either of them to happen.
 
The Supreme Courts ruling was narrow, but the opinion by Kavanaugh basically said the NCAA can not prohibit schools from paying players. If they do they will get sued and they will lose. If nothing is going to stop schools from paying players schools are going to start paying players.

That would fly in the face of what everyone has been saying that schools are just too strapped for cash and they could just never afford to pay the players. Of course that’s been BS the whole time but it doesn’t stop anybody.
 
And NIL rights will likely be granted long before either of those things, eliminating the need for either of them to happen.
Why do you think that eliminates the need? You realize there are a lot of athletes that would have little to gain from NIL that would still get money if football players unionize. Besides, like I said, schools that need an edge will start paying players in addition to whatever money players get from NIL. Take KU for example. They REALLY suck at football. No one wants to play there. They decide "Hey, we can offer additional compensation to get players to come play at this sh!thole!" Next thing you know, all the other Big XII institutions start paying to keep up. This is not that hard of a concept.
 
That would fly in the face of what everyone has been saying that schools are just too strapped for cash and they could just never afford to pay the players. Of course that’s been BS the whole time but it doesn’t stop anybody.

A small handful of schools could easily afford to pay players - Texas has so much money they just seem to spend it so their money bin doesn't fill up. Another handful could find the right donors if they felt it could give them a competitive advantage - someone from this group would probably be the first mover. But even among P5 schools, most don't seem to have money within their Athletic Department budget to pay players, or at least to pay them what many of them want (Pac12 attempted players union demanded 50% of athletic revenue be paid to athletes). I agree as much as anybody that the money is messed up in college athletics - coaches are compensated way too high relative to players and the players do deserve more compensation than they get. But the idea that all or most athletics departments are sitting on fat loads of cash is also BS.

IMO, it's wishful thinking to believe this will not end in players being paid. I feel like it makes sense and is in keeping with the spirit of NCAA athletics to allow NIL and maybe some kind of additional stipend or small salary ($10-20k for players in revenue sports beyond the current scholarship/education benefits - enough to make it so the athletes have plenty of money to spend on whatever they want relative to the average college student). But that's not how it will go down. There will be some student athletes who believe they are worth large salaries (and some probably objectively are) who will take it to court to get the pay they feel they deserve. And once that happens, and they win the court battle, players will be paid a market rate. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but it needs to happen in an orderly way by establishing rules like a salary cap for competitive balance and a transition schedule to help the industry restructure their budgets over time since a lot of the money is tied up in long term debt for facilities, etc.
 
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Can't they just make it so that NIL income is not from the university but from individual companies and this whole hand wringing over tax exempt status flies out the window?
We aren't talking NIL income from 3rd parties, we are only talking about IF athletes become University W-2 employees and being paid beyond FCOA solely for their athletic services beyond the University's academic mission (thus the risk of losing tax exempt status). NIL income was never intended to be funded by Universities.
 
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Here, read this. https://pennstatelaw.psu.edu/_file/NCAA26.pdf

Hopefully it clarifies some things for you and you realize you are worried for no reason.
Based on my quick read of that doc, it doesn't address the scenario of athletes becoming W-2 employees solely for their athletic services beyond FCOA scholarships. If that scenario evolves, the tax exempt issue will likely be raised again as previously posted multiple times in this thread.
 
We aren't talking NIL income from 3rd parties, we are only talking about IF athletes become University W-2 employees and being paid beyond FCOA solely for their athletic services beyond the University's academic mission (thus the risk of losing tax exempt status). NIL income was never intended to be funded by Universities.
isufbcurt marking this post as Dumb clearly displays how effin clueless he is about this topic.
 
isufbcurt marking this post as Dumb clearly displays how effin clueless he is about this topic.

I'm not clueless about it at all. I do numerous tax returns for not for profits and have audited not for profits when I worked at a CPA Firm. Oh yeah I was involved with ISU's annual Audit when I worked for the State Auditor. And my wife is the CFO of a large not for profit. So yeah I know a little about them.

And I have told you before Athletes as employees of the University will NOT change the tax exempt status.

It's not different than NFP's selling cookies, or other good and services to fund their operations or hiring summer camp counselors to run summer camps.

Oh yeah summer camps, you realize the Student Athletes who are coaching at summer camps are paid by the Athletic Departments to be coaches at the camps right? I guess we should have revoked tax exempt status along time ago.
 
I'm not clueless about it at all. I do numerous tax returns for not for profits and have audited not for profits when I worked at a CPA Firm. Oh yeah I was involved with ISU's annual Audit when I worked for the State Auditor. And my wife is the CFO of a large not for profit. So yeah I know a little about them.

And I have told you before Athletes as employees of the University will NOT change the tax exempt status.

It's not different than NFP's selling cookies, or other good and services to fund their operations or hiring summer camp counselors to run summer camps.

Oh yeah summer camps, you realize the Student Athletes who are coaching at summer camps are paid by the Athletic Departments to be coaches at the camps right? I guess we should have revoked tax exempt status along time ago.
It's amazing you are competent enough to do tax returns based on your limitations marking multiple posts as Dumb without an ability to respond as to why in writing. The examples you cite above aren't the same as athletes being paid for their on-field athletic services beyond FCOA which actually generates the millions of revenue streams. Those millions being generated are why these issues have been raised and rules are being changed.
 
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A small handful of schools could easily afford to pay players - Texas has so much money they just seem to spend it so their money bin doesn't fill up. Another handful could find the right donors if they felt it could give them a competitive advantage - someone from this group would probably be the first mover. But even among P5 schools, most don't seem to have money within their Athletic Department budget to pay players, or at least to pay them what many of them want (Pac12 attempted players union demanded 50% of athletic revenue be paid to athletes). I agree as much as anybody that the money is messed up in college athletics - coaches are compensated way too high relative to players and the players do deserve more compensation than they get. But the idea that all or most athletics departments are sitting on fat loads of cash is also BS.

IMO, it's wishful thinking to believe this will not end in players being paid. I feel like it makes sense and is in keeping with the spirit of NCAA athletics to allow NIL and maybe some kind of additional stipend or small salary ($10-20k for players in revenue sports beyond the current scholarship/education benefits - enough to make it so the athletes have plenty of money to spend on whatever they want relative to the average college student). But that's not how it will go down. There will be some student athletes who believe they are worth large salaries (and some probably objectively are) who will take it to court to get the pay they feel they deserve. And once that happens, and they win the court battle, players will be paid a market rate. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but it needs to happen in an orderly way by establishing rules like a salary cap for competitive balance and a transition schedule to help the industry restructure their budgets over time since a lot of the money is tied up in long term debt for facilities, etc.
The only reason a salary cap is allowed in some professional sports leagues is because of unionized, collective bargaining, and therefore exempt from anti-trust scrutiny. At this point, the NCAA would probably love it if the players were unionized, because it would allow them to standardize some of this stuff. As it stands, one of the arguments that the SCOTUS decision appeared to reinforce, is that schools aren't allowed to work together to limit the benefits that can be offered to athletes. So things like a salary cap or NCAA rule to pay players the same amount is going to be met with litigation, and it doesn't look like the NCAA would prevail in those cases.
 
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It amazing you are competent enough to do tax returns based on your limitations marking multiple posts as Dumb without an ability to respond as to why in writing. The examples you cite above aren't the same as athletes being paid for their on-field athletic services beyond FCOA which actually generates the millions of revenue streams. Those millions being generated are why these issues have been raised and rules are being changed.

I've responded enough and you are too dense to understand that having additional employees won't change the tax status.

I've seen some NFP do some really "off-mission" things and that didn't change their exempt status.

Fact is once something receives tax exempt status it is really hard to revoke it. You want to see a good example of this do research on Scientology and their tax exempt status. Now that they got it, it isn't going anywhere no matter how criminal they are.
 
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When NIL happens - I assume there will be a few rules by the NCAA - no gambling, alcohol, etc. It would be nice if they also included No Sports Media Companies. I can see ESPN paying more NIL to players at Duke, NC, and other schools they want to be good (usually on the east coast to cut down on travel costs).