Why do people want ISU Baseball back so much?

How many of you, HONESTLY, would regularly attend ISU Baseball games if it existed? Don't lie.


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I will add hockey has some economies of scale...

Add men's hockey. Add women's hockey.

They can share a lot of the needed facilities, administration, and management.

Having both takes care of any potential Title IX issues, whereas baseball would require a women's sport of a comparable number of scholarships... not sure which... to be added.

For the record, here are the women's sports the Big 12 sponsors that ISU lacks...

Equestrian
Rowing

...and that's it.

Not that I think hockey is coming or anything. But if you were going to add one, I think it makes more sense.
As a point of reference for the cost to move up, Penn State moved both of their men's and women's hockey programs up to NCAA D1 in 2012. Terry Pegula, a Penn State alum and now owner of the Buffalo Bills and Sabres, donated $102M to build new facilities, including a 6,000 seat hockey stadium.

It is worth noting that before Penn State moved up, the Big 10 was not a hockey conference. Big 10 hockey started in 2013 with Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn St., and Ohio St., later adding Notre Dame as a hockey only member.

All this to say, if ISU had one or a group of passionate donors to sponsor a new hockey complex, there is a case to be made for being the eighth member of Big 10 hockey.
 
As a point of reference for the cost to move up, Penn State moved both of their men's and women's hockey programs up to NCAA D1 in 2012. Terry Pegula, a Penn State alum and now owner of the Buffalo Bills and Sabres, donated $102M to build new facilities, including a 6,000 seat hockey stadium.

It is worth noting that before Penn State moved up, the Big 10 was not a hockey conference. Big 10 hockey started in 2013 with Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn St., and Ohio St., later adding Notre Dame as a hockey only member.

All this to say, if ISU had one or a group of passionate donors to sponsor a new hockey complex, there is a case to be made for being the eighth member of Big 10 hockey.

I actually think Hilton would make a good hockey facility. I like going to the Schottenstein Center for tOSU hockey. It’s a big time atmosphere for conference games. BUT, tOSU has dedicated wrestling, gymnastics, women’s hockey and Volleyball facilities so that might make it unfeasible to play ice hockey at Hilton.
 
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https://www.mlb.com/news/ranking-all-50-states-by-wins-above-replacement

22) Iowa: 222 players, 1,156.5 WAR
Bob Feller’s dad built the real Field of Dreams on his Iowa farm long before the Kevin Costner flick. Each of the six Iowa-born Hall of Fame players debuted prior to World War II.

Not as bad as I thought, but still not very good. Compare that to...

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1) California: 2,311 players, 11,519.2 WAR
The most populous state laps the field on this list, with 24 Hall of Famers and four players who achieved north of 100 WAR (Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Tom Seaver and Randy Johnson). Spencer Torkelson, who was taken by the Tigers with this year’s No. 1 overall pick, is from Petaluma.

2) New York: 1,216 players, 5,893.7 WAR
The state that houses Cooperstown and spawned four Major League teams also produced four 100-WAR guys (Eddie Collins, Lou Gehrig, Warren Spahn and Alex Rodriguez, though A-Rod moved at a young age), and Southampton (Long Island) native Carl Yastrzemski (96.4) is close.

3) Pennsylvania: 1,434 players, 5,853.3 WAR
From “The Kid” (Ken Griffey Jr.) to “The Man” (Stan Musial), incredible talent hailed from here -- and that’s just tiny Donora (Griffey and Musial share not just a birthplace but a birth date of Nov. 21). The Keystone State also lays claim to Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Reggie Jackson and many others.

4) Ohio: 1,040 players, 4,805.0 WAR
This was the birthplace not just of Cy Young, but of the guy who won the most Cy Youngs (Roger Clemens). Both the Dayton-born Clemens and Cincinnati-born Pete Rose might not ever make it to the Hall of Fame, but they definitely bump up the Buckeye State WAR total.

5) Texas: 942 players, 4,157.7 WAR
The Lone Star State birthed Hall of Famers Tris Speaker, Rogers Hornsby, Frank Robinson, Greg Maddux, Joe Morgan, Eddie Mathews, Nolan Ryan and Ernie Banks, and Clayton Kershaw figures to join the list. Two of this year’s top four overall Draft picks -- Heston Kjerstad (Orioles) and Asa Lacy (Royals) -- are Texans.

Awesome data. Thanks for compiling it.

Baseball is hurting nationwide. The MLB can't figure out how to get more fans in the stands or watching on TV and they are stupid enough to black out many Iowans who DO want to watch baseball without paying for a premium network. They even black out on MLB TV I believe.
Little League baseball is hurting as well. I know this personally as an umpire. Some parks are close to closing down or only have a handful of teams at each age group. Travel Ball has gutted Little League and makes it so talented kids without money can't really play at a high level. It may be a talent filled product but it's elitist and it's killing baseball in my opinion.
 
The WBB support has dropped off substantially as far as people actually attending, we still sell 9,000 plus season tickets but probably have 5,000 attend most games.

Aw that's too bad. I think it was pretty high in the early 2000s when I was at ISU.
5000 is still better than A LOT of P6 schools though.
 
Personally, if you want to add a sport, add one that currently utilizes facilities being supported by a women’s team, like swimming, soccer, gymnastics, etc.
 
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I don't remember ISU ever being good at baseball, and in the current sports climate I think it would be even harder to go from nothing to actually good.

Big 12 conference record, 1997-2001
Baylor - .676
Texas Tech - .666
Texas A&M - .597
Oklahoma State - .596
Oklahoma - .548
Nebraska - .544
Texas - .538
Missouri - .486
Kansas State - .315 (best year: .379)
Kansas - .272 (best year: .400)
Iowa State - .255 (best year: .423)
 
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Big 12 conference record, 1997-2001
Baylor - .676
Texas Tech - .666
Texas A&M - .597
Oklahoma State - .596
Oklahoma - .548
Nebraska - .544
Texas - .538
Missouri - .486
Kansas State - .315 (best year: .379)
Kansas - .272 (best year: .400)
Iowa State - .255 (best year: .423)

Who knows what stats lurk in the hearts of ISU?

The SHADOW KNOWS!
 
I think it just an inferiority complex at this point. It didn't feel as bad before Colorado left the conference, but when they did, suddenly we were all alone. Hockey or soccer seem like a more logical way to go than baseball, and without looking up any numbers I'd almost wager to theorize that soccer is a more popular sport amongst our nations youth than baseball. If you need to add a women's team to counteract adding a men's then let's just do men's and women's hockey. Hockey would be so much fun, makes more sense geographically speaking and we can't be put at a competitive disadvantage due to weather. Only issues I could foresee with hockey is that its season would overlap basketball. And nobody is going to choose a hockey game over a basketball game in this fan base, just saying.
 
I think it just an inferiority complex at this point. It didn't feel as bad before Colorado left the conference, but when they did, suddenly we were all alone. Hockey or soccer seem like a more logical way to go than baseball, and without looking up any numbers I'd almost wager to theorize that soccer is a more popular sport amongst our nations youth than baseball. If you need to add a women's team to counteract adding a men's then let's just do men's and women's hockey. Hockey would be so much fun, makes more sense geographically speaking and we can't be put at a competitive disadvantage due to weather. Only issues I could foresee with hockey is that its season would overlap basketball. And nobody is going to choose a hockey game over a basketball game in this fan base, just saying.

Yep. I played in the volunteer hockey pep band. We only went on non-basketball nights for obvious reasons. It was a good time. Not sure if people drink as much at hockey now as they did back then.
 
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Big 12 conference record, 1997-2001
Baylor - .676
Texas Tech - .666
Texas A&M - .597
Oklahoma State - .596
Oklahoma - .548
Nebraska - .544
Texas - .538
Missouri - .486
Kansas State - .315 (best year: .379)
Kansas - .272 (best year: .400)
Iowa State - .255 (best year: .423)

Big 8 conference record, 1990-96
Oklahoma State - .701
Oklahoma - .588
Missouri - .480
Kansas - .466
Nebraska - .462
Iowa State - .451
Kansas State - .352
 
Hockey or soccer seem like a more logical way to go than baseball, and without looking up any numbers I'd almost wager to theorize that soccer is a more popular sport amongst our nations youth than baseball.

A men's soccer team would have to play in the Missouri Valley or MAC.
 
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