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How so? These are houses that are unlivable.

Do you understand the current housing market? A majority of buyers have been watching HGTV the last decade, everything needs to be turnkey when they move in. Very few want to do anything when they purchase a home.

Lol. Yes. We should have a discussion of housing development.
 
I'm wondering A) where all that money came from and B) where else would/should you invest right now?

Bond yields are nothing. Tangible real estate is expensive and inaccessible for retail investors. Not everyone wants to invest in precious metals... Where else does money go when expecting inflation?

A. Stimulus checks and repurposed money that would have been spent on vacations, etc. It's no coincidence that there's been a corresponding spike in the savings rate. B. Companies that do better in a rising interest rate environment or deal with commodities. Banking and energy are two such sectors.

My IRA contribution this year was funded with my stimulus checks and credit card cash back rewards. I'm no rocket scientist, so I presume I'm not the only one who did so.
 
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People looking to buy houses in the lower price range are getting beaten out by all-cash buyers. Those are usually investors and not owner-occupiers.

He said it would take 50-65k to make the house livable plus commission and closing costs and other profits. If an owner buys a house they aren't worried about profit margin. Investor profits just raise the price of the house for the end buyer.
 
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A. Stimulus checks and repurposed money that would have been spent on vacations, etc. It's no coincidence that there's been a corresponding spike in the savings rate. B. Companies that do better in a rising interest rate environment or deal with commodities. Banking and energy are two such sectors.

My IRA contribution this year was funded with my stimulus checks and credit card cash back rewards. I'm no rocket scientist, so I presume I'm not the only one who did so.

I charge EVERYTHING to my cash back cards for this reason. Pay them off the next day, then once the cash back is generated it deposits to my brokerage for investment.
 
People looking to buy houses in the lower price range are getting beaten out by all-cash buyers. Those are usually investors and not owner-occupiers.

He said it would take 50-65k to make the house livable plus commission and closing costs and other profits. If an owner buys a house they aren't worried about profit margin. Investor profits just raise the price of the house for the end buyer.

Ah yes, getting it to market value is the problem, got it. Anything I buy or look at I am not competing with an owner occupant. Many lending programs require you to live at the residence in certain amount of time if you are owner occupant, that would not be possible in most of these instances.

Now there are investors (including institutional investors which I despise) buying lower end housing and turning them into rentals. My last flip was just purchased by an investor. I am not a fan of that.

The new home market is not doing its part either. Way too many homes built towards the upper middle class locally. I understand the profits aren't there for lower end builds but that market is just basically ignored.
 
People looking to buy houses in the lower price range are getting beaten out by all-cash buyers. Those are usually investors and not owner-occupiers.

He said it would take 50-65k to make the house livable plus commission and closing costs and other profits. If an owner buys a house they aren't worried about profit margin. Investor profits just raise the price of the house for the end buyer.

That's not quite how it works. In reality, because most owners don't want to do the rehabbing, they would much rather buy a renovated house from a flipper.

Think about it. If you can only afford a lower priced property, you're sure as hell not going to have the money to write checks for 10's of thousands of dollars to contractors in order to make a place habitable. Because homeowners don't have the money is how these places end up in a state of disrepair in the first place. They would not otherwise be able to purchase such a home. By purchasing a rehabbed home, they can fund the improvements in a mortgage and finance them at a real interest rate (inflation adjusted) that is close to zero.

Rehabbers/flippers play a valuable role in the marketplace.
 
I charge EVERYTHING to my cash back cards for this reason. Pay them off the next day, then once the cash back is generated it deposits to my brokerage for investment.

It adds up quick. I run as much of my business stuff on it as I can. 2% on $7k per month adds up fast! But I take the 25 days float as well. Gotta keep that cash working!
 
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I didn't say anything about losing their homes. Why would someone lose their home if the value of their house goes down? The value of my house has gone up and down in the last 15 years and my P&I has stayed exactly the same.

One reason I don't buy now is because what I saw in 2008. "Why not just buy a house and flip it, houses only go up in value".

While we won't see 2008 again, we'll definitely see a pullback. Happens during every economic downturn. You mentioned that you would be in the market for a retirement home. Those second homes are the first properties shed during a downturn so they always fall by a lot more.
 
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Rehabbers/flippers play a valuable role in the marketplace.

This is correct. Like ALL forms of business in this country there are people that are bad people and don't do what they should. They need to do it right so folks won't have massive bills a few months after they move in. I know I've cost myself profits when selling these homes but I know when someone buys it massive issues aren't going to hit them right away. Helps me sleep at night.

I'm above board on everything. Even if folks say I don't need to, I'll call the inspector. I have them answer my questions. I'd rather have stuff done right then have something come back on me. Reputation and word travels fairly quick and sticks with you.

Just do your stuff right and you'll be fine.
 
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New homes are built at the upper middle range because it's not profitable to build anything cheaper. It's a combination of labor costs, zoning and permitting, and buyer expectations of a new home. In the Minnesota area there are billboards from a housing group that say "Legalize Starter Homes" because all the codes and regulations basically make it impossible to turn a profit on a sub-$300,000 single-family home.

Des Moines was trying to do the same thing. Habitat for Humanity would not have been able to do their standard builds with the new guidelines. I've lost track on where that ended up, I think Habitat may have gotten a waiver.
 
This is correct. Like ALL forms of business in this country there are people that are bad people and don't do what they should. They need to do it right so folks won't have massive bills a few months after they move in. I know I've cost myself profits when selling these homes but I know when someone buys it massive issues aren't going to hit them right away. Helps me sleep at night.

I'm above board on everything. Even if folks say I don't need to, I'll call the inspector. I have them answer my questions. I'd rather have stuff done right then have something come back on me. Reputation and word travels fairly quick and sticks with you.

Just do your stuff right and you'll be fine.

I’m not sure why but for some reason flippers have a bad reputation. When, in reality, most are doing a good job of turning a substandard home into an above standard home.

Also, the margins aren’t what gets portrayed on TV...it’s a lot of work to make that money. But for some reason, real estate agents can make 6-7% and swipe $10s of thousands for facilitating a transaction. But a flipper can’t make those margins after rehabbing a property? Makes no sense.
 
Ah yes, getting it to market value is the problem, got it. Anything I buy or look at I am not competing with an owner occupant. Many lending programs require you to live at the residence in certain amount of time if you are owner occupant, that would not be possible in most of these instances.

Now there are investors (including institutional investors which I despise) buying lower end housing and turning them into rentals. My last flip was just purchased by an investor. I am not a fan of that.

The new home market is not doing its part either. Way too many homes built towards the upper middle class locally. I understand the profits aren't there for lower end builds but that market is just basically ignored.
Why aren’t you a fan of an investor that rents it out? That provides a value to the market place as well, just like flippers. All of these different functions provide value.

And for anyone that says a flipper is part of the problem, just think about the ugliest house in your neighborhood, and how happy you and your neighbors would be if someone came in, fixed the POS up nice and sold it for a high price, thus improving the value of the entire neighborhood and making it easier to look at when you are driving by.
 
People looking to buy houses in the lower price range are getting beaten out by all-cash buyers. Those are usually investors and not owner-occupiers.

He said it would take 50-65k to make the house livable plus commission and closing costs and other profits. If an owner buys a house they aren't worried about profit margin. Investor profits just raise the price of the house for the end buyer.

Unless that new owner is going to do the repairs all themselves (not most buyers) someone is getting that profit somehow. Most flippers at least have some ability to do some of the improvements..
 
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13.6% GDP estimate from the ATL Fed GDP Now model..

Money printers goes brrrh