21-22 pieces that fit

[isucy86]

Delusional expectations....for TJ? With what you and others were shoveling? How convenient now that it's set in stone you are scaling back your expectations. I was told this is going to be Hoiball 2.0. And he is exactly the Royce White, Chris Babb, Chris Allen, Korie Lucious, DeAndre Kane type of transfer Fred would have gone after and reeled in. Maybe with TJ doing some of the leg work.

As others have mentioned Carr is most likely going to transfer to a school that is very likely an NCAA Tournament level team. Much better disability for Carr's NBA prospects if he has success at a Kansas, Gonzaga, Michigan, etc.

The the aspect. For ISU's long term development, does it make sense to bring in a 1 year player?

Any minutes that Carr plays, probably reduces Hunters minutes. Depending the recruiting pitch to Hunter, adding Carr could also influence Hunters decision to remain committed with ISU.

As much as I want ISU to win next year, I would prefer ISU add transfers that will be at ISU more than 1 year.

Carr is a 1 year guy and he went through the NBA eval process last year. He may have entered transfer portal because of coaching change, but he may considering NBA more.

 

[brycy]

As others have mentioned Carr is most likely going to transfer to a school that is very likely an NCAA Tournament level team. Much better disability for Carr's NBA prospects if he has success at a Kansas, Gonzaga, Michigan, etc.

The the aspect. For ISU's long term development, does it make sense to bring in a 1 year player?

Any minutes that Carr plays, probably reduces Hunters minutes. Depending the recruiting pitch to Hunter, adding Carr could also influence Hunters decision to remain committed with ISU.

As much as I want ISU to win next year, I would prefer ISU add transfers that will be at ISU more than 1 year.

Carr is a 1 year guy and he went through the NBA eval process last year. He may have entered transfer portal because of coaching change, but he may considering NBA more.

That was mean! I was just reading about David Carr winning the 157 title and then read this that Carr was transferring. You scared me. Guess I should remember what thread I opened.

 

[Aduhbolu15]

Tyler Harris won’t

 

[CYEATHAWK]

As others have mentioned Carr is most likely going to transfer to a school that is very likely an NCAA Tournament level team. Much better disability for Carr's NBA prospects if he has success at a Kansas, Gonzaga, Michigan, etc.

The the aspect. For ISU's long term development, does it make sense to bring in a 1 year player?

Any minutes that Carr plays, probably reduces Hunters minutes. Depending the recruiting pitch to Hunter, adding Carr could also influence Hunters decision to remain committed with ISU.

As much as I want ISU to win next year, I would prefer ISU add transfers that will be at ISU more than 1 year.

Carr is a 1 year guy and he went through the NBA eval process last year. He may have entered transfer portal because of coaching change, but he may considering NBA more.

Your first statement......there is nothing you can do if he goes pro. And maybe.......however pro scouts don't just look at players who play for championship teams.

Second......remember when Fred recruited DeAndre Kane? Everyone feared that Monte may not like the fact he went out and got a one year mercenary. Worked out just fine. And with TJ's influence from Fred being heavy.....or so I've been told.....why couldn't he make this work?

Third.......was that question ever asked of Fred? Because along with the Monte's and Georges he added a plethora of one year wonders. Once again, I've been told countless times that this is going to be Hoiball 2.0. Well that was Hoiball.

Fourth.......Yes that might be ideal under certain situations.....but your concern about getting the best high school player i.e. Hunter will still be valid no matter what type of transfer you pursue. And why wait IF you can get it now?

Finally.....if he goes pro then it's all academic for everyone. But until he declares......why not a full court press?

Edit: responses #3 should be for #2 and vice versa.

 

[Die4Cy]

By far, my biggest 'what to do with' guy is Javan. He baffled me all year. One minute you see the talent oozing from him and the next minute you can't believe how poor his shot selection, ball security, and decision making was.

Melvin Ejim was a frustrating player to watch as a freshman. Talented but turnover prone. Young players are rarely polished.

 

[RustShack]

Hunter
Bolton
Hinson
Kaluma
Foster

 

[Cyforce]

Hunter
Bolton
Hinson
Kaluma
Foster

Add Walker, Nunn and Conditt and we have a pretty good rotation. Get those 8 and TJ can go big game hunting for a shooter. Although Nunn can fill it.

 

[Statefan10]

Add Walker, Nunn and Conditt and we have a pretty good rotation. Get those 8 and TJ can go big game hunting for a shooter. Although Nunn can fill it.

Never know with a freshman, especially considering the line change. TJ needs a grad transfer that can strictly shoot. Obviously easier said than done though.

 

[isucy86]

Your first statement......there is nothing you can do if he goes pro. And maybe.......however pro scouts don't just look at players who play for championship teams.

Second......remember when Fred recruited DeAndre Kane? Everyone feared that Monte may not like the fact he went out and got a one year mercenary. Worked out just fine. And with TJ's influence from Fred being heavy.....or so I've been told.....why couldn't he make this work?

Third.......was that question ever asked of Fred? Because along with the Monte's and Georges he added a plethora of one year wonders. Once again, I've been told countless times that this is going to be Hoiball 2.0. Well that was Hoiball.

Fourth.......Yes that might be ideal under certain situations.....but your concern about getting the best high school player i.e. Hunter will still be valid no matter what type of transfer you pursue. And why wait IF you can get it now?

Finally.....if he goes pro then it's all academic for everyone. But until he declares......why not a full court press?

Edit: responses #3 should be for #2 and vice versa.

What if any promises were made to Hunter during his recruitment? The past is the past. Doesn't matter what the situation was with Monte and Kane. If no promises were made to Hunter, then no issue going after Carr.

I still think the original person questioning Carr to ISU hit the fundamental issue. If Carr is going to play college hoops next year, it will be with a Top 10-20 program. He will want to play meaningful games- compete for conference championships and play in March Madness. I doubt Carr would see that as likely at ISU.

The argument of playing time doesn't work. Carr will get the minutes whether he goes to ISU or Gonzaga. He's a kid who played over 36mpg the last 2 years with the Gophers.

You should probably relax on the TJ= Fred stuff. Let TJ be his own man. Remember Fred's approach to roster building was 100% rooted in an NBA experience. TJ's approach to roster development will be based on a 100% college experience of which Fred was only a handful of years.

 

[Cyforce]

Never know with a freshman, especially considering the line change. TJ needs a grad transfer that can strictly shoot. Obviously easier said than done though.

Ideally we'd get a guy with 2 years to play. Otherwise we could lose all three starting guards after next season.

 

[Statefan10]

Ideally we'd get a guy with 2 years to play. Otherwise we could lose all three starting guards after next season.

Idk if Hunter is a one and done guy but you’re right that’d be less than ideal

 

[ForeverIowan]

Idk if Hunter is a one and done guy but you’re right that’d be less than ideal

I'll defer to someone who knows better but I don't think the NBA will be knocking down the door for a 6'1" 170 pound point guard. I think Hunter is the type of recruit you can build a program around. High 4 star play that likely should be in school for a few years.

 

[Cyforce]

I'll defer to someone who knows better but I don't think the NBA will be knocking down the door for a 6'1" 170 pound point guard. I think Hunter is the type of recruit you can build a program around. High 4 star play that likely should be in school for a few years.

Watch his highlights, kid in elite.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Watch his highlights, kid in elite.

So is Luka Garza.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I know lots of guys who can dunk. That doesn’t make them high major basketball players. It also doesnt make someone laterally quick.

If there is one thing TJ can do is bring in talent. I’m not concerned about that. Anyone have word on his assistants yet?

Yeah I wasn't against Born coming here, but he probably he isn't as laterally quick as he needs to be in the Big 12. You watch Jorbo play and you think wow, that little guy is quick! In comparison to other white kids from Iowa at his size, sure, the dude sizzles! But line him up next to almost any other P6 athlete and you quickly change your mind as you learn what laterally quick actually means.

 

[CyclonesRock]

Yeah I wasn't against Born coming here, but he probably he isn't as laterally quick as he needs to be in the Big 12. You watch Jorbo play and you think wow, that little guy is quick! In comparison to other white kids from Iowa at his size, sure, the dude sizzles! But line him up next to almost any other P6 athlete and you quickly change your mind as you learn what laterally quick actually means.

We saw the issue that lack of size in a league like the Big XII brings repeatedly this year. Tyler Harris had a very difficult time consistently getting his shot off. He probably leads the league in having shots blocked, if they actually track that stat. Even when it wasn't blocked he often could not get set properly before launching. Harris is on the upper end of physical quickness and he struggled. I think Born would face an uphill battle in in P6 league. IMO

 

[Acylum]

You watch Jorbo play and you think wow, that little guy is quick!

I’ve literally never thought this. Maybe instead of “quick” you meant “a douche”.

 

[tomar1]

Why? Hunter and Foster are legit 4 star talents. Bolton is one of the better guards in the league. Hinson is a proven double digit scorer at the P5 level. Javan Johnson is an athletic forward. Conditt should have his best year ahead of him. Add a big time transfer. That rotation of 7-8 guys can compete for the 7th spot in the Big 12 and fight for the bubble next year.

Bolton was just the best guard on a bad team! We need a lot of help!

 

[CloneIce]

Melvin Ejim was a frustrating player to watch as a freshman. Talented but turnover prone. Young players are rarely polished.

Eh? Ejim was a tough scrapper who rebounded well and looked solid as a freshman, even with some stone hands. It was clear from day one that he belonged and he would have a very good career.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

What if any promises were made to Hunter during his recruitment? The past is the past. Doesn't matter what the situation was with Monte and Kane. If no promises were made to Hunter, then no issue going after Carr.

I still think the original person questioning Carr to ISU hit the fundamental issue. If Carr is going to play college hoops next year, it will be with a Top 10-20 program. He will want to play meaningful games- compete for conference championships and play in March Madness. I doubt Carr would see that as likely at ISU.

The argument of playing time doesn't work. Carr will get the minutes whether he goes to ISU or Gonzaga. He's a kid who played over 36mpg the last 2 years with the Gophers.

You should probably relax on the TJ= Fred stuff. Let TJ be his own man. Remember Fred's approach to roster building was 100% rooted in an NBA experience. TJ's approach to roster development will be based on a 100% college experience of which Fred was only a handful of years.

That is the point. We don't know what or if any promises were made to Hunter that weren't made to Monte. Did it matter when Kane became available? Ask Richard Amardi.

So while we could debate no, go, who, and maybe so minutes here, Gonzaga there........unless you are convinced TJ is going to make Hunter pinky swear not to leave after one year......you at least try to get the best you can when you can. That's what Fred did. Other than that, let's forgo ALL 4/5 star HS talent, and one and done transfers.

Which all swerves into the TJ=Fred stuff. I'm totally relaxed with it. Just asking questions on the bill of goods we were sold. I'm not the one who spent the last 2 weeks selling that issue like some carnival barker at the midway pimping the bearded lady. I also haven't spent the last 6 years beating Prohm over the head with the =Fred issue. So I'm going to keep asking questions. Maybe TJ does inquire of Carr......and maybe Carr says no. I'm fine with that. But you have to try.