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Anyone that doesn’t like FSU’s style likely hasn’t paid attention to college basketball the past 5+ years. Great tempo, offense, AND defense. Yeah, we really wouldn’t want athletic fast paced offense with physical, nearly smothering defense.

Can Gates actually bring that? I don’t know
Yeah who knows. I’d love to see that style at ISU though. I think most people would.
 
I’m guessing prohm would say the same thing.

It seems weird that he’d say that publicly where those freshman can hear that he would not have signed them.
Even kids would understand what the message is. Not everyone is jsb hypersensitive. He’s defending them as much as criticizing, pointing out the disadvantage compared to other seasons they’ve had to deal with.

But you’re right on the Prohm comment. Even the worst coaches can generally give you good sound bites after the fact. McD was excellent at covering in detail what he would have done differently in hindsight.
 
You’re very bad at defending TJ.

This is the blind “friend” viewpoint many are worried about in hiring TJ. “Forget what others think, they’re too harsh!” “It’s their problem, not our friend!”

It’s not just UNLV fans btw, it’s those that follow and cover MWC. And know, that’s not the basis of their criticism. I hate to break it to you, but being a regular top-25 team is what many Iowa St fans want, and that’s historically been just as easy at UNLV as here.

We’ve gone through the “it’s only year 2!” with Steve. Accurate conclusions can be made even by Year 2. Steve had a good first two years even. Not all circumstances are equal, but TJ has impacted his circumstances. There will ALWAYS be disruptive events, the decisions you make to overcome those can be reflective of your abilities as a HC. And Mid-pack at UNLV is a coach barely above replacement grade.

TJ’s strength is that he may be one of the surer bets on quickly overhauling the roster. If it comes to TJ, which players he’s bringing should be discussed. Is it believed he can keep the guys we want on the roster? Hunter? Nunn and his teammate? Hamilton? Etc
Who’s Nunn’s teammate?
 
You’re very bad at defending TJ.

This is the blind “friend” viewpoint many are worried about in hiring TJ. “Forget what others think, they’re too harsh!” “It’s their problem, not our friend!”

It’s not just UNLV fans btw, it’s those that follow and cover MWC. And know, that’s not the basis of their criticism. I hate to break it to you, but being a regular top-25 team is what many Iowa St fans want, and that’s historically been just as easy at UNLV as here.

We’ve gone through the “it’s only year 2!” with Steve. Accurate conclusions can be made even by Year 2. Steve had a good first two years even. Not all circumstances are equal, but TJ has impacted his circumstances. There will ALWAYS be disruptive events, the decisions you make to overcome those can be reflective of your abilities as a HC. And Mid-pack at UNLV is a coach barely above replacement grade.
Look you haven’t made an actual argument about why he’s bad. Your entire argument is other people think he’s bad. I’ve said it multiple times those people are absolute morons. We are talking about a school that fired Marvin Menzies as he was building them back up. Yeah Chris Beard was a better coach but you don’t fire a good coach to get another good coach.

UNLV hasn’t made the tournament in 8 years now. They have no justification for being an immediate top 25 team. We want to be a top 25 team but whoever the coach is I don’t expect that for at least two or three years because of where we are at. While basketball is a quicker rebuild then football it almost always takes a couple of years to get going.

Prohm had a good first two years but it was a don’t break it situation. UNLV is very much not that situation.
 
Look you haven’t made an actual argument about why he’s bad. Your entire argument is other people think he’s bad. I’ve said it multiple times those people are absolute morons. We are talking about a school that fired Marvin Menzies as he was building them back up. Yeah Chris Beard was a better coach but you don’t fire a good coach to get another good coach.

UNLV hasn’t made the tournament in 8 years now. They have no justification for being an immediate top 25 team. We want to be a top 25 team but whoever the coach is I don’t expect that for at least two or three years because of where we are at. While basketball is a quicker rebuild then football it almost always takes a couple of years to get going.

Prohm had a good first two years but it was a don’t break it situation. UNLV is very much not that situation.
“Those people don’t know my friend!” “I know UNLV and the MWC better!”

You haven’t explained why your contrarian view, with less info, is the accurate one. The criticism isn’t because they’re not top 25, it’s because the product on the court isn’t often well coached

You haven’t yet explained why TJ isn’t a not good coach with good inherited teams, rather than a good coach with a bad team.

Look at his team’s metrics. Even at SDSU he had awful defenses. Did brookings SD have Covid then?

The only thing you’ve used is the false authority fallacy
 
again I don’t give a **** what UNLV fans think. They are morons who think they should be a regular top 25 team. They think he is an awful coach after two years in which he got them second in the conference and then struggled due to Covid this year. Even with the struggles this year he got them mid pack.

I guess i specifically watched their ball movement and offensive flow last night because of discussions here. It reminded me very much of the Hoiberg teams and was absolutely nothing like Prohms teams. How effective it was last night isn’t so much the points but they were constantly move and making cuts. I’m a fan of the free flowing offense that Hoiberg ran. It realizes on actually making shots and UNLV absolutely couldn’t do that but they were getting decent looks especially in the first half.

I’ve kind of laid out my reasons already but here is why I like TJ. Looking at the Prohm years what do I think were the mistakes. I think lack of P6 experience, lack of Midwest connection, and lack of identity were the issues. I think TJ really hits those issues we saw. He has a ton of P5 experience and at Iowa State. His recruiting grounds line up with ours. Lastly I think he would present a good identity of back to Hoibergs style.

I would be far from upset with Gates. I’d have some concerns about some of his lack of Midwest experience. He has some but it is a bit lacking and I don’t know where he likes to pull recruits. I’ve also not been a fan of Leonard Hamilton’s play style at FSU. When I’ve watched them it’s seemed more of an athletic person style than a basketball skilled style. Maybe I can get on board when I watch it more but I haven’t been a fan. Also looking back maybe they’ve been better the last couple of years at doing that but I tried to watch them some in the mid 2010s and wasn’t impressed. I assume that Gates is similar in style.
Be honest....You’re punking us with this post right?
 
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If you could tell me right now that bringing in TJ gets us this guy, Hunter, and Nunn, plus we'd retain Foster, I'd probably get a bit excited. Obviously this is a big if, but it's not crazy? Kaluma's a teammate of Nunn and his head coach is leaving to go coach him..

Kaluma is the #42 player in the nation and #11 as a PF. He's incredibly skilled too. The kid has offers from ASU, Arkansas, Kansas, OU, Syracuse, A&M and USC.

Again, obviously this is hypothetical and it's not a guarantee that he'd come with TJ. All I'm saying is that if he would, I'd be less against the hiring of TJ.
 
Imo it’s preferable those holes would be questions on how long they stay or age, and not questions of whether they have what it takes to be a coach at the Big 12 level. I’d rather take on the lower retread risk than just dart throwing.

Gates likely will have many opportunities this spring. One more good year and he’d likely be out of our range, if he isn’t already. Smith too.

TJ isn’t in such demand this year. If he gets UNLV a berth next year, he may be a candidate for some P5, but if he has a season similar to this one, would he be fired?

Mike Boyton wasn't in demand at all and he's done just fine. Greg McDermott wasn't in demand when Creighton hired him from Iowa State and he's had sustained success for a decade+. To say that TJ would or wouldn't have success here because of two years at UNLV is silly. He recruited very well here for almost 10 years, he had success at SDSU, to say he'd be garbage at Iowa State is literally impossible to know. Which is why when you and others continue to say it, I call out the BS. But feel free to keep disliking or dumbing my posts. ;)
 
Mike Boyton wasn't in demand at all and he's done just fine. Greg McDermott wasn't in demand when Creighton hired him from Iowa State and he's had sustained success for a decade+. To say that TJ would or wouldn't have success here because of two years at UNLV is silly. He recruited very well here for almost 10 years, he had success at SDSU, to say he'd be garbage at Iowa State is literally impossible to know. Which is why when you and others continue to say it, I call out the BS. But feel free to keep disliking or dumbing my posts. ;)


I know there are some saying he’d be garbage and you are right, they don’t know that.

But it is absolutely fair to say that TJ isn’t some great and inspired choice.
 
Anybody know how TJ gets along with players who haven't had the most privileged upbringing?

If he is hired I just hope he doesn't try to turn all of them into choir boys, send them to "wellness" retreats because of their choice of relaxation methods, then play them 2 minutes a game when they've paid thier dues.

If he can be more like Hoiberg in those regards I'm all for him.
 

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