Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?

[NorthCyd]

This thread is really entertaining. I don't know what's going to happen, but I know some people are going to look really stupid when all is said and done.

 

[alarson]

Jc
He QUIT on us. Johnny, his mentor, would not have done that. He truly has no backbone. Zero. Zip.

He didn't 'quit on us'.

He made it clear to pretty much everyone around him his aspirations were to coach at the NBA level someday. He developed the ISU program into probably the strongest it has ever been, leaving a great team for the next guy to build off of, and pursued his dream.

His dream didn't work out. But of any of the realistically available options, he's still head and shoulders above every other option. If he wants to come here and the money to make it happen is available, the job should be his.

 

[CRCySpy]

This is our next coach? Oh my nipples are hard. View attachment 82491

 

[jsb]

You’ve been trying to reverse psychology this out of existence for about a month.

I have been trying to get everyone worked up.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I have been trying to get everyone worked up.

You think you’re being clever, but you have no idea what I’m doing right now.

 

[jsb]

You think you’re being clever, but you have no idea what I’m doing right now.

we are on the same plane. It’s a real mind meld. But

 

[kingcy]

Over the past few weeks, I've talked to a a few people who I would consider to be in the "know". From what I've heard one of two things are going to happen. Either Prohm is our coach next year, or Hoiberg is our coach next year. I'm not sure there is an in-between based off what I've heard. I also have absolutely no idea how reliable any of my sources are, so take it for what it's worth.

Neither one of those are true.

 

[trevn]

This thread is really entertaining. I don't know what's going to happen, but I know some people are going to look really stupid when all is said and done.

I don't think we have to wait for it to be all said and done for that to happen.

 

[dafarmer]

Jc
He QUIT on us. Johnny, his mentor, would not have done that. He truly has no backbone. Zero. Zip.

Did he run over your dog, or something? I doubt he stole your girlfriend.

 

[ISU4NH]

McDermott is suspended, Hoiberg gets blown out by Iowa, Prohm has taken ISU to a low not seen in modern times and a "team manager" is playing against ISU. Even though we've cut down the nets in KC with two of these guys this whole story gets sadder and sadder.

 

[Cycl1]

Just to be clear - I'm not trying to say Prohm is better than Hoiberg. Yes - the state of ISU's roster is mostly Prohm's fault. That I agree with. However, that's where it ends.

What I am saying is that Hoiberg is performing poorly at Nebraska and we should not make excuses for him.

Nebraska basketball was on the rise under the previous coach. Tim Miles took the pit that was Nebrasketball and filled in a good 2/3 of it. They had gone from laughably pathetic, to just mediocre under his tenure. But their AD didn't feel he could get them over the hump to actually being decent so he fired Miles and brought in Hoiberg. Things have gotten worse under Hoiberg. Yes, the cupboards were bare when he got there. But he also ran off guys that could have helped them avoid embarrassment. It's one thing to encourage players to transfer so you can bring in better players that can help you to win. Instead, he brought in players that led them to 7 wins. Come on. Hoiberg had enough time and resources that he could have brought in enough players to get to at least 10 wins. In the same conditions, Tim Miles never had fewer than 12 wins. And you have to imagine that Miles had plenty of years starting from scratch, plenty of players who were marginal B1G athletes. But he never put together a single digit win year.

If Hoiberg is truly a great coach, he can match Tim Miles' performance. I'm not expecting a miracle here. I'm just saying, don't do significantly worse than the last guy. Yes - Hoiberg does have disadvantages. But Miles had those same disadvantages.

To use your pit metaphor - Prohm was on a mountain and dug a pit. Hoiberg started off in a hole and dug it deeper than it was when he started. Maybe he needed to dig down to bedrock to build a better foundation. Maybe. You all say he's got a good recruiting class coming in, so maybe he turns it around in year 3. But he has a long way to go to even get back to his predecessor's level of mediocrity.

But look, I'm not gonna win anybody over here. If you love Fred Hoiberg, you love him. I'm just saying - please try to look at him with a little objectivity. Personally, I think his performance at Nebraska says he's lost something and is not as good as he was in his days at ISU. If by some miracle he does come back and coach here, I'll give him his shot to turn things around. If he is ever part of ISU athletics again, I'll root for him. But with that, I think I'll bow out of this one.

I agree with you that fred likely dug down and pushed people out because they werent good enough, but they might have been better in the short term with those players. Time will tell. However, Tim miles had one or 2 decent years total. They finished 4th in the big 10 eight years ago and lost their 1st game in his only NCAA appearance. They finished tied for 4th his second to last year and made it to the first round of the NIT. They finished 10th place in conference or worse the other 5 years he was coach. His average place was 9.4 in the Big 10. His last year he atarted 4 seniors and they finished 13 in conference. The cupboard was bare. I think people remember that he took them to the dance, but don't realize that was 8 years ago, i certainly thought it was more recent than that.

But i mean people rip on hoiberg for not leaving prohm a top quality 8th guy on the bench. Hoiberg had nothing.

I do apologize for being unnecessarily aggressive in my last post, i took some NyQuil like an hour before i posted and while it doesnt excuse my tone, for some reason i was upset by your post.

 

[erinmd32]

So Fred is either a legit option or a pipe dream but how anyone can argue that Prohm is back is beyond me

Prohm is 18-53 in conference play the last 4 years. Covid may have effected this season but this was never going to be a winning season.

I understand the players aren't there....but I have seen less talented ISU teams with better results. Also, when Prohm did have the players he went 9-9 in conference play. You could argue that on his 3 winning teams while great highs they all definitely underperformed.

So besides Fred who are legit candidates?

 

[Cydkar]

I think there's a bigger problem that we go winless in conference. The 2 wins against cupcakes don't really matter to me as much as the fact that we couldn't take a game off our peers one time.

Even the worst of teams beat a team they aren't supposed to once over the course of a season. The fact that we didn't is a statistical anomaly. A truly historic season.

 

[Cydkar]

we are on the same plane. It’s a real mind meld. But

Agree. The one on the treadmill...

 

[CloneIce]

Fred’s “chuck up 3’s” offense honestly doesn’t look that different than Prohm’s offense, except they shoot quicker. No clue why people think that would suddenly work again if Fred came back if it’s not working with Prohm.

You gotta be kidding. The gulf between offensive game plans and coaching between the two is a mile wide. If all you got from watching those years offense is “they just chuck up threes”, then I am sorry, but you don’t know jack about basketball.

 

[CloneIce]

Over the past few weeks, I've talked to a a few people who I would consider to be in the "know". From what I've heard one of two things are going to happen. Either Prohm is our coach next year, or Hoiberg is our coach next year. I'm not sure there is an in-between based off what I've heard. I also have absolutely no idea how reliable any of my sources are, so take it for what it's worth.

There is no way in hell Prohm is our coach. Jp is not stupid.

I’d be pumped if we brought Hoiball back. Let’s make it happen!

 

[Clonestarred]

Jc
He QUIT on us. Johnny, his mentor, would not have done that. He truly has no backbone. Zero. Zip.

Johnny Majors left for a better job. Earle Bruce left for a better job. Tim Floyd left for a better job. Fred Hoiberg left for a better job. Why is that such an issue for folks?

 

[FallOf81]

Johnny Majors left for a better job. Earle Bruce left for a better job. Tim Floyd left for a better job. Fred Hoiberg left for a better job. Why is that such an issue for folks?

So now he's leaving Nebby. This quickly. That's great.

 

[everyyard]

I see your dirty face
High behind your collar
What is done in vain
Truth is hard to swallow
So you pray to God
To justify the way you live a lie
Live a lie
Live a lie

 

[Clonestarred]

So now he's leaving Nebby. This quickly. That's great.

Once again, he would be leaving for a better job.