Good GFYS, even over the internet I hate cursing at children.Good one?
Good GFYS, even over the internet I hate cursing at children.Good one?
Good GFYS, even over the internet I hate cursing at children.
All in but you are slamming Troy Davis. You're the reason for the ignore option.Lol, Troy is that you?
All in but you are slamming Troy Davis. You're the reason for the ignore option.
Calvin Johnson was the most physically dominant receiver I’ve ever seen, I’d give him the edge over Moss for pure skill. He mainly just played on terrible teams, although the same could be said for Moss other than a few years.Jerry Rice is the greatest receiver of all time. Randy Moss is the best receiver of all time. Moss didn't have the longevity, or the production, but in terms of pure skill...
Fun discussion as no matter which way one leans, we are talking about GREAT Cyclones so we can't lose! In the spirit of discussion (versus argument) about Troy or Breece as greatest ISU RB of all time, a few responses:
You stated: "I get Troy was fantastic, I am not saying he wasn't. But if he doesn't have the top spot in the majority of records (which he probably wont after next year),.. how can he be considered the best?
Me: But he does hold most of the records. I fully believe Breece, if he remains healthy (man that hurt to even type that!) he will pass some of them, but certainly not all. Let's look at some of those stats:
Troy Davis Breece Hall Comments Yards per Career 4,382 2,469Troy's total 1st all-time for ISU. Breece's totals include the bowl game, but currently don't quite crack top 10 all time. Breece could surpass Troy's total with 1,914 yards next year. If he duplicates this year, he would still trail Troy by ~300 yards. Season rushing yards 2,185 1,572Breece's total (in 12 games) is 3rd all time. Troy, has 1st & 2nd, both over 2,000 (both in 11 games) Rushing attempts career 782 465Rushing attempts season 402 279Yards per carry 5.6 5.3Rushing touchdowns in a game 5 3Troy did this twice Rushing touchdowns in a season 21 21Troy & Breece are tied for 1st, and Troy also holds 5th at 16. Breece could certainly surpass this record. Rushing touchdowns career 36 30Troy leads, but Breece only needs 8 to pass and he had 21 this season so likely to surpass the career mark. Touchdowns in a season. 21 23Total Touchdowns 38 33If he stays healthy, Breece will likely eclipse this record 100+ yard games 21 13200+ yard games 9 0Most rushing yards 1 game 378 185Troy has top three games in ISU history. Breece not yet in the top 10. Receptions 33 46Breece used more in passing game as a receiver. Receiving Yards 258 432Breece is already a more productive receiver. Receiving TDs 1 3Breece already leads and is likely to add to it. Return yards 537 0Troy had a 29.8 yard/retun career average on 18 returns. Breece not used in the kick receive game All purpose yards 5,177 2,901Freshman All-American 01x Troy barely played as a Freshman an Breece had an outstanding freshman season. We can compare sophomore years, but Breece still has his junior year in front of him. Concensus All American 2x 1x Need 3 of 5 votes to reach this level. Breece received all 5 this year. Troy received 4 votes each of 2 seasons. Unanimous 1st String All American 01X Breece only unanimous 1st String All American in ISU histroy. Heisman Finalist 5th & 2nd 6th
So Breece will break a few of the records, total touchdowns, rushing touchdowns in a career, potentially 100 yards games, and maybe others. The rushing yards in a season stay is a little skewed based on era. Troy got 402 carries in the year he ran for 2185. Breece only had 279 carries this past year in 12 games. What if Breece got as many carries as Troy did? I can tell you he would’ve had closer to, if not more than 2000 yards this year....
not many backs can hold up like Troy. That is what made Troy so great, he was as durable as they come. I doubt Breece can hold up like Troy did, not many backs can do that.
But could Breece hold up like that if we gave it to him more?Or offenses aren’t run like that. I bet Breece could’ve gotten close to 2000 yards if we handed it off more. Game has changed.
Troy still had a slightly higher yards per carry advantage.So Breece will break a few of the records, total touchdowns, rushing touchdowns in a career, potentially 100 yards games, and maybe others. The rushing yards in a season stay is a little skewed based on era. Troy got 402 carries in the year he ran for 2185. Breece only had 279 carries this past year in 12 games. What if Breece got as many carries as Troy did? I can tell you he would’ve had closer to, if not more than 2000 yards this year....
But could Breece hold up like that if we gave it to him more?
But could Breece hold up like that if we gave it to him more?
Troy still had a slightly higher yards per carry advantage.
Troys ypc was 5.4 in the year he got 2185. Breece’s was 5.6 last year...
In my lifetime I've witnessed 5 truly great running backs play for Iowa St. In chronological order Green, Crutchfield, Davis, Montgomery and Hall. Of those Davis and Hall are the two that have legitimate stakes at the top rung.How would we ever know? That’s not our offense. And what’s to say he wouldn’t?
Nope....Austin Flynn! According too Todd Blythe...They would get drunk in a bar and knock hawk fans hats off their head. He's a Hero in my book!
We don't know, and we'll never know, because honestly it's probably a borderline moral issue to hand the ball off that much with what we know now.
And the world's hottest girlfriend. (Texans cheerleader)If I remember one thing about Flynn through the rest of my years, it will be the announcer saying "Flynn on the keeper!" What was actually a drop back pass turns into Flynn running for his life, tackled for a two yard loss.
Not saying this to dog on the guy, it's just what I will always remember.