a darian devries thread turning into prohm vs fred?
no way, not on cf!
no way, not on cf!
Darian DeVries
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Holy schnikes we actually have people this stupid on the board? Wow. And yes, I mean that offensively.
Upward trajectory is quite literally the definition of Fred's tenure at Iowa State. He had positioned Iowa State where it correctly should be; a perennial top 20 program. He handed his successor 2 Top 15 rosters and 2 guaranteed epically great seasons (that his successor squandered. Cannot believe a team of Burton, Naz, Thomas, and Monte lost to freaking Purdue). Prohm walked into quite literally the best possible situation a coach in major college basketball could walk into. All he had to do was STAND there for 2 seasons! And get paid millions! And focus on recruiting for years 3, 4, and beyond.
Everything that Fred built, Prohm has undone in just a matter of a couple seasons. All upward trajectory and momentum is gone. Stick with reality, Cyclone fans. Please.
hey I love Drake too. What is up with that? Peace to you. Seriously, we are on the same side here.
Drakes proposal kept getting declined, so Iowa State hosted, which is why Iowa State wasn’t eligible to play in Des Moines. They bit the bullet to increase the chances of Drake being able to host it, so that Iowa State could play there in the future.
Yup, so now since it's been successful in Des Moines, Drake has and can host it without the NCAA worrying.
People forget the impact Deandre Kane had on this program. He brought a toughness they hadn’t had before.
and he had a tremendous impact on Georges and Monte. They became tougher because they played with him.
That season it was as simple as showing up at Tech and Kansas State.
Maybe guard the arc a little vs. Baylor.
I think many see that team as 'elite' when in reality, elite teams win 2/3 of those games.
I'm with you Cloned. There is not a way for me to get in to a headspace that could accept, much less entertain, the idea that Hoiberg did not have an upward trajectory.
After the 2000-01 season up until Hoiberg took over in 2010-11 we were in the Top 25 rankings a grand total of 2 times. Those were the first 2 weeks following our only NCAA tourney appearance during the same time period.
Hoiberg left a program that spent 37 weeks in a row in the Top 25 and had 4 consecutive NCAA tournament berths.
Edit: I don't want Hoiberg back
#25 Drake is blowing the doors off Illinois State and are going to move to 17-0.
And this may be a sign of coaching. They survived last night in OT, make adjustments and destroy the same opponent.
McDermot was great at UNI, terrible at Iowa State, great again at Creighton. It blows my mind people think his long time assistant is this home run.
Going from making four 3s at 13% to hitting 13 at 42% certainly helps.
A good sign of coaching was playing through a poor shooting performance and gutting out a win in the first game.
CycloneErik
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This is really dumb. Do you suppose the "shrugged off" coach had some awfully good tournament wins that built up some good will? Or, maybe just maybe, some of us have watched enough of the tournament to know that these games happen?
I don’t get this free vs Prohm thing....it’s over and done with...Fred built this program from nothing to something and steve took it to nothing
During their time here...Fred was a good coach, steve is a bad coach. That’s it, not complicated
you can say whatever you want, like Fred, hate Fred, like steve or hate steve....those are the absolute facts
you can say 2 plus 2 is 5, and argue about it all day, but it doesn’t make it so...the fact is, it’s 4
During their time here...Fred was a good coach, steve is a bad coach. That’s it, not complicated
you can say whatever you want, like Fred, hate Fred, like steve or hate steve....those are the absolute facts
you can say 2 plus 2 is 5, and argue about it all day, but it doesn’t make it so...the fact is, it’s 4
And Rashad Vaughn, and ... c'mon, guys. Catching up on all these notes today. If y'all step back, I'd guess all can say Fred was great for the program, we wished he'd stayed, and we'd surely be in a much better spot than we are now. But, I think you also have to take off the Fred/rose-colored glasses and realize that this "trajectory to the perennial top 10" is wishful thinking/martyrdom, not reality. The arguments that Prohm's NCAA losses are the worst ever while at the same time simply dismissing the UAB loss as a fluke are just laughable. Fred did very well here. Prohm is out of his league and going to get fired. That doesn't mean that everything Fred did or would have done would have been the best ever. Geesh. For the benefit of the new coach, toss those glasses in the garbage.
I think it's more they got their best shot yesterday, today Drake had a better start and broke their will.
The team was going to take a step back the year after the first Prohm year even had Hoiberg stayed put. We thought we were going to lose Morris, Mitrou-Long, Nader, Niang, and McKay (our probable starting five!) all at once after the next season after that. Not even Fred was enough of a warlock to lose all that and not miss a beat. Yes, he could have rebuilt things from there, probably, but it wasn’t going to be instantaneous without any lull following.
