End of January Update Coach Prohm
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FWIW, I don't think I'd really classify UNLV as a "mid-major" or even the MVC as being a "mid-major" conference for basketball for that matter. I regard true "mid-major" conferences in basketball as being the MVC, Southern Conference, etc. Conferences who play Division I basketball but their football programs are at a lesser level. JMO.
TJ is known to be a good recruiter; has connections in Wisconsin and is good friends with the guy that runs Brewster academy. If he can get a guy on staff like Bobby Lutz then I think he will be very successful here. UNLV is also dealing with injuries to key players this year.
Well we're going to have to do that regardless for almost any of our coaching options. You're going to have mid major guys who haven't yet coached at the P5 level or you're going to have older coaches who haven't coached in a while and couldn't be as invested as they were before.
Whoever we hire, I hope we go through a full vetting process and do it the right way. Not just hire TJ because Pollard remembers he was a candidate last time / feels guilty / has had some minor success since then. I have trust Jamie will make the correct decision and will do it the correct way.
It’s also a little unfair to say he can win at a mid-major. Jury is still out on Otz as a head coach. Pollard should go for a guy with a more proven track record instead of just settling for someone with ties to the program.
Yeah as I said somewhere else, we don't know how good TJ or DeVries is. They haven't coached long enough somewhere to determine that. Taking either of them at this point would be a gamble, however that might be what we have to do if we don't have a shot with bigger named guys.
I said this above, but I hope whoever we choose, it's someone we've chosen in an extensive process and not just chosen because his name is not Steve Prohm.
I wish I could actually watch the Drake or UNLV games to see how they play. The ISU games make it glaringly obvious that it's a coaching issue--you can immediately tell that there's no plan and the players don't know what to do.
If I could watch DeVries or Otz coached teams I'd feel more confident. Is UNLV struggling due to player execution or COVID? Or is it bad plays and game-planning? How is Drake winning their games? Are they running great defense? Good ball movement?
Does anyone here have any insight? It's easy to look at the W and L columns and say "this guy is clearly better!", but there's more than that, as we know with Prohm.
If I could watch DeVries or Otz coached teams I'd feel more confident. Is UNLV struggling due to player execution or COVID? Or is it bad plays and game-planning? How is Drake winning their games? Are they running great defense? Good ball movement?
Does anyone here have any insight? It's easy to look at the W and L columns and say "this guy is clearly better!", but there's more than that, as we know with Prohm.
Whoever we hire is going to be is taking a flyer. We aren’t hiring Chris Beard of today. Anyone is going to have flaws in their resume. It’s about who has the best resume and plan for Iowa State.
So do you give Prohm a pass for this year? If not, you can’t give one to TJ
CycloneErik
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Prohm was failing before COVID hit his roster. It's not exactly apples to oranges.
I can give the 2nd year coach a pass more than I can give the 6th year coach a pass. TJ is rebuilding a program he took over a year ago. Prohm is trying to rebuild a program he himself drove into the ground.
I didn’t say he wasn’t failing, but you can argue Covid made it worse. You either throw this season out for everyone or no one.
CycloneErik
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We were on pace to run the table well before COVID.
So, you can argue that COVID made it worse, but the facts show that we were already on the 2 win pace.
K-State beat us here before the pause. So did, well, almost everyone.
Like a lot of us I had my concerns that started in his first year. I was done with Prohm after the New Years Eve debacle 13 months ago. I’ve been to one game since then, the pounding ISU took against TT a couple weeks ago. I see no reason to go back until he’s gone. Will never give up our season tickets but looks like some friends and family will continue to get to watch some more crappy basketball for free if Prohm sticks around, same as they did last year.
I heard from some close family friends of my family who are Directors Club donors and they will not be renewing any of their basketball tickets next year. They also deferred them this season, not because of covid, but because they just weren't interested but wanted to wait to see if there was improvement.
First call has to go to Beilien or Matta, possibly Sampson. There's a 1% chance of any of those happening but you have to at least try.
After that I'm really torn between TJ and Devries. I not a TJ expert at all but he doesn't strike me as a solid x's and o's guy, just a top recruiter. Devries is obviously an x's and o's guy but I worry about him recruiting to this level. So I guess its anybody guess which one would be better.
Devries could bring his son, Foster, Hinson, Hunter, Johnson, Bolton as the starting 5, Dubar and Walker improve alot with proper coaching, Tre is the 6th man. Its prob not a torunament team, maybe 7-11 ceiling but its a solid start to get some respect back.
After that I'm really torn between TJ and Devries. I not a TJ expert at all but he doesn't strike me as a solid x's and o's guy, just a top recruiter. Devries is obviously an x's and o's guy but I worry about him recruiting to this level. So I guess its anybody guess which one would be better.
Devries could bring his son, Foster, Hinson, Hunter, Johnson, Bolton as the starting 5, Dubar and Walker improve alot with proper coaching, Tre is the 6th man. Its prob not a torunament team, maybe 7-11 ceiling but its a solid start to get some respect back.
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I’m more referring to the almost all new players getting pretty much no time to work together in the offseason. Not the pause in season.
Not sure. Just what I was told from my parents. Guessing if it was a good hire, they would, but as of now, they're out. They'll probably try to get more football tickets.
What good does it do to fire a coach during the season? Maybe lock him in a closet during practice, and see if other coaches can teach a player how to block out and rebound.
