***Official 2019-2020 Transfer Thread***

[moores2]

I guess I should not say he wasn't good at taking care of the ball. That's disrespectful. I think I said that because sometimes he turnovers were wtf moments lol.

Tyrese was a much bigger risk taker than Monte. Monte wasn't making jump passes from in the air over the baseline to set a teammate up. Tyrese was way more flashy, and sometimes that turned into some bad turnovers. Other times it lead to the highlight real.

 

[cykadelic2]

I have a feeling this whole Javan Johnson point forward thing is the real deal.

Johnson played PG on the Scout team last season out of necessity. If that somehow translates to being a successful facilitator next season after two years on the wing at Troy, that would be great for the team.

 

[Statefan10]

Tyrese was a much bigger risk taker than Monte. Monte wasn't making jump passes from in the air over the baseline to set a teammate up. Tyrese was way more flashy, and sometimes that turned into some bad turnovers. Other times it lead to the highlight real.

Yeah I was talking about NWB. I think I might've mentioned this the other day, but Tyrese was a lot more flashy than Monte ever was, which is why he turned it over more. However, when some of the passes worked, they were amazing.

 

[Sigmapolis]

The offense WAS fine, we just couldn't make shots, and when it sort of seemed like things were clicking, Tyrese goes down. When you get wide open shots to guys and they can't make it, that's not bad offense. When you continuously give up back cut after back cut, don't talk on screens, are constantly in mismatches, can't defend the three well, and don't get back in transition.. your defense is awful.

I also don't know why you're blaming Prohm or trying to act like Prohm got lucky playing Nick at the PG. The job of the coach is to put players in the best positions for the team to succeed. That's what Prohm did with Nick. Prohm saw that his team would be better with the ball not in Lindell and Donovan's hands the whole time. That's good coaching.

I actually thought Prohm switching Nick to PG and the Wigginton and Jackson combination to SG was one of his better coaching moments.

How come...?

It did it quickly and decisively after a bad loss -- the one to UW-Milwaukee.

Wigginton and Jackson probably came into that season expecting to play PG, but they both seemed to buy into an off-ball scoring role even though a guy we all expected to be more of a 3-4 wing type ended up a PG/point forward type.

It worked pretty well. The offense with the starting five out there (those three guards plus Young and Lard) was clicking by Big 12 season. That team just could not defend (sounds familiar, right) and had an awful bench (again, familiar).

Those five starters plus two reserves that were more effective than Space Cadet Lewis and Midrange Maestro Beverly plus a little more coherence on defense, and that could have been a good team. Not a great one, but at least competitive.

I can remember plenty of complaints on here about Prohm not being decisive in making changes that obviously needed to happen, plain to everybody.

At least that time, he was with Nick at PG.

 

[cykadelic2]

I also don't know why you're blaming Prohm or trying to act like Prohm got lucky playing Nick at the PG. The job of the coach is to put players in the best positions for the team to succeed. That's what Prohm did with Nick. Prohm saw that his team would be better with the ball not in Lindell and Donovan's hands the whole time.That's good coaching.

Better coaching would have been identifying NWB was the clear choice before the season started during practice and scrimmages instead of pandering to the positional desires of LW and Jackson.

 

[Statefan10]

I actually thought Prohm switching Nick to PG and the Wigginton and Jackson combination to SG was one of his better coaching moments.

How come...?

It did it quickly and decisively after a bad loss -- the one to UW-Milwaukee.

Wigginton and Jackson probably came into that season expecting to play PG, but they both seemed to buy into an off-ball scoring role even though a guy we all expected to be more of a 3-4 wing type ended up a PG/point forward type.

It worked pretty well. The offense with the starting five out there (those three guards plus Young and Lard) was clicking by Big 12 season. That team just could not defend (sounds familiar, right) and had an awful bench (again, familiar).

Those five starters plus two reserves that were more effective than Space Cadet Lewis and Midrange Maestro Beverly plus a little more coherent on defense, and that could have been a good team. Not a great one, but at least competitive.

Well stated. I will also call dibs on the band name "The Midrange Maestros"

 

[Statefan10]

Better coaching would have been identifying NWB was the clear choice before the season started during practice and scrimmages instead of pandering to the positional desires of LW and Jackson.

Got it got it, so by that logic, Coach Campbell should've known that Brock Purdy was going to be the player he currently is and should've started him over Kyle Kempt in 2018 right?

 

[Cyforce]

Better coaching would have been identifying NWB was the clear choice before the season started during practice and scrimmages instead of pandering to the positional desires of LW and Jackson.

You're so determined to find the negative. Other than Brodie0 I can't think of anyone's posts I'm more tired of reading.

Too late I already placed you on ignore.

 

[cykadelic2]

Got it got it, so by that logic, Coach Campbell should've known that Brock Purdy was going to be the player he currently is and should've started him over Kyle Kempt in 2018 right?

If NWB was a freshmen like Purdy was, perhaps so. That said, it's a silly comparison since Jackson and LW weren't being benched.

 

[Statefan10]

If NWB was a freshmen like Purdy was, perhaps so. That said, it's a silly comparison since Jackson and LW weren't being benched.

Hmm, so was Hoiberg incompetent for not starting Monte until well over half the year? Monte Morris didn't start a single game until February 1st. No, Fred was not incompetent. Neither was Prohm. Sometimes you figure things out throughout the course of a game or even a few games.

 

[Psiclone]

Better coaching would have been identifying NWB was the clear choice before the season started during practice and scrimmages instead of pandering to the positional desires of LW and Jackson.

Give me a freakin' break. You can't even give credit where credit is due! Sad....

 

[cykadelic2]

Hmm, so was Hoiberg incompetent for not starting Monte until well over half the year? Monte Morris didn't start a single game until February 1st. No, Fred was not incompetent. Neither was Prohm. Sometimes you figure things out throughout the course of a game or even a few games.

......and Morris was a freshmen like Purdy was in your other flawed comparison attempt.

 

[RustShack]

Sometimes guys you know who are talented just aren’t ready to play right away. There’s more to sports than just talent. You need to know the system, know what systems you’re going against, have some type of chemistry with your teammates. Sometimes at lower levels you’re able to get away with just talent, and at the next level you need to work on being more fundamentally sound.

It’s normal for say an injury, then the backup emerging as a big star. It’s not because the coach was dumb, it’s because the first game of the season they weren’t quite ready.

 

[heitclone]

I don't think the Babb to Harris comparison is a great one as far as transitioning to PG. Tyler is just a much more aggressive offensive player,he's a scorer, Babb was always kind of a jack of all trades. Totally different players.

Interesting stat from 17/18, we were 0-3 when NWB was the leading scorer, he led the team at Mizzou, against Milwaukee and at Texas, all loses. That team wasn't great but in the games he played when he wasn't the leading scorer, we were 11-6, including a win against Tech, who was a top 10 team. He was at his best when he was able to get others involved.

 

[Rabbuk]

I don't think the Babb to Harris comparison is a great one as far as transitioning to PG. Tyler is just a much more aggressive offensive player,he's a scorer, Babb was always kind of a jack of all trades. Totally different players.

Interesting stat from 17/18, we were 0-3 when NWB was the leading scorer, he led the team at Mizzou, against Milwaukee and at Texas, all loses. That team wasn't great but in the games he played when he wasn't the leading scorer, we were 11-6, including a win against Tech, who was a top 10 team. He was at his best when he was able to get others involved.

Babb wasn't a good scorer but was a good basketball player

 

[RustShack]

Having someone like Johnson who can also handle the ball will benefit someone like Harris at the 1. We’ve seen it with Morris and Niang both initiating the offense.

 

[Clyde4cy]

NWB was an absolute beast until his knee problems began.

 

[NENick]

NWB was an absolute beast until his knee problems began.

I don't know that I would agree with "beast," but I think he was a really good basketball player and agree that his knees kept him from being great. He scored, facilitated, rebounded, and guarded.
Hope Johnson develops similarly.

 

[Clyde4cy]

I don't know that I would agree with "beast," but I think he was a really good basketball player and agree that his knees kept him from being great. He scored, facilitated, rebounded, and guarded.
Hope Johnson develops similarly.

I guess I went with “Beast” because of his 18.9% defensive rebounding percentage from the pg position. Melvin’s senior DR % was 18.7%.

 

[IASTATE07]

I guess I went with “Beast” because of his 18.9% defensive rebounding percentage from the pg position. Melvin’s senior DR % was 18.7%.

I remember a poster complaining in a game thread Nick didn't rebound enough. A game he had 8 or 9 rebounds.