NO FANS AT CYCLONE GAMES?

[madguy30]

Can the local blood donation center do them yet? In Iowa it is lifeserve blood centers not sure if they are testing?

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/covid-19-antibody-testing.html

I was able to get one at my regular Dr.s and another place.

 

[simply1]

I just re-read what you wrote too and I was mistaken. I apologize.

You are correct in the fact that politicians are making the decisions therefore it is politicized. Unfortunately because of the fact that both sides have their own motives around this it is causing more noise than actually helping people while causing more divide.

The left would like to keep things closed and economy down and peoples live's tough during an election year because it would favor them and their candidate. While the right will do anything to open everything to get the economy and give people freedom back.

It was very apparent in the stimulus bills that were passed considering how much pork was included that had nothing to do with Covid or relief. The whole system and politicians involved are pathetic and care mostly because it is an election year and thats it.

I think the motives are a bit overblown on this, governors of broke states won’t win re-election, etc, so the desire to open is shared to a degree at that level I believe.
Politicians are a reflection of constituents mostly when forced

 

[CTTB78]

.....China tested practically the entire population of Wuhan (11 million) in about 10 days and has been testing about 1 million citizens of Beijing prepay lately....

And how do we know this? Love those unconfirmed China stats.

 

[KHoing07]

Nothing like going to watch a bunch of African-American athletes play a sport while wearing that crap.

Guess you won't like my decals on my truck for supporting law enforcement

 

[isufbcurt]

Guess you won't like my decals on my truck for supporting law enforcement

I don't care really because it's not about me, but I do get a little chuckle from people with a blue piece of painters tape.

 

[8bitnes]

Sure but high school level and below kids will be priority as well so we hopefully stop school spread if they are even in school at that point. I just don't see how this thing doesn't explode by early September with schools going back and knowing how stuff spreads in schools.

School kids avoiding illness in Iowa is not a priority based on the state education guidance put out today. The guidance is fully putting a priority on reopening fully and throwing mitigation efforts to the wayside. Teachers should strike (if it wasn't against state law)

 

[NEPatriotscy]

And how do we know this? Love those unconfirmed China stats.

Yes, China has been lying on lots of topics but I do believe this one. Do you also not believe their COVID new cases has basically dropped to near zero for over a month? How about South Korea, the European Union, Australia, New Zealand, and likely some other nations? Do you not believe them? Besides massive testing, there is one other MAJOR common trait: Wearing masks! Why oh why don't more Americans wear the mask? I know why, but I don't want to name names because it would become political. It has become a law in a handful of Northeast States (not surprisingly their cases have dropped dramatically) but not in the majority of the states. It is ludicrous to me.

Yesterday, I went to the local Hy Vee store for the first time in about 4 months. It was disgusting to see about 2/3 of the customers not wearing a mask. I felt like confronting them to say that they are endangering the lives of other customers by not wearing a mask, but I didn't want to start a big squabble and kept my mouth shut.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

The left would like to keep things closed and economy down and peoples live's tough during an election year because it would favor them and their candidate. While the right will do anything to open everything to get the economy and give people freedom back.

YOU are not being political?

Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

 

[exCYtable]

I just love how every thread I open inevitably becomes a political fight and a "you're dumb, no YOU'RE dumb" event. This place has literally become unbearable. It used to be a place I came to hang out with people who I have a common interest with, because...CYCLONES.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Do we know the risk of long term cardiovascular damage yet?

ANYTHING...........that causes the body to produce high fever has this ability.

 

[Cloneon]

While I agree on staying on the side of protection, facts like this are likely skewed as I believe there is 'recategorization' of deaths not accurately reflected here.

 

[Cloneon]

Employers should be able to fire anybody who refuses to get it unless they have a medical reason.

Hmmm. Not sure you understand the number of deaths due to 'malpractice'. The 'shot', no matter how you look at it, may be an even greater risk to some people than the disease itself.

 

[VeloClone]

My stance isn't a political one, instead it is logical. You can't prevent a virus from spreading. If you could, we would have done something to prevent the common cold or seasonal flu. Its unavoidable. Eventually most will get Covid. Thats reality and its foolish to think that it will just stop. Flattening the curve still has the whole population of eventual infected people within it, it is just spaced out. Also, yes Covid contributes to deaths, but the vast majority of deaths have pre-existing conditions that gets compounded with Covid. The actual number of deaths due to Covid alone is very small when you look at the data. Herd immunity will ultimately need to take place and then everyone's immune systems will ultimately become stronger.

I don't have interest in political discussions.

Eventually everyone will get COVID. That is possibly true. But there are a lot of promising vaccine candidates being tested right now. We may end up in a situation - a lot like the way we handle the flu which keeps getting brought up - where many people, especially those with pre-existing conditions, get a periodic vaccine to limit their chances of getting and reduce the severity of infection. While this is all difficult, I don't think taking measures to limit the spread while we give the vaccines time to be tested is too high of a price to pay for saving lives of many who a vulnerable and a few that have no pre-existing condition. In my mind the loss of the ability to attend one season of football games isn't even in the conversation of prices too high to pay. Neither is covering my face when out in public.

My octogenarian mother and septuagenarian in-laws probably agree.

 

[cycloneG]

While I agree on staying on the side of protection, facts like this are likely skewed as I believe there is 'recategorization' of deaths not accurately reflected here.

Could you expand on this? Any links would help.

 

[Cloneon]

Could you expand on this? Any links would help.

My point is that this graph is off when comparing to 'trends'. I think a more accurate depiction of this graph would have been to include the prior 10 years of the same graph with 'flu' statistics. As you can see from the CDC web site the numbers from previous years does not accurately reflect those in the graph. So, IMO, it's safe to assume there is 'recategorization' going on.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
I also, just reviewed the footnote on the graph. 'Estimated' flu and 'Actual' Covid. How is one to interpret that as nothing other than information to fit a narrative?

 

[cycloneG]

My point is that this graph is off when comparing to 'trends'. I think a more accurate depiction of this graph would have been to include the prior 10 years of the same graph with 'flu' statistics. As you can see from the CDC web site the numbers from previous years does not accurately reflect those in the graph. So, IMO, it's safe to assume there is 'recategorization' going on.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
I also, just reviewed the footnote on the graph. 'Estimated' flu and 'Actual' Covid. How is one to interpret that as nothing other than information to fit a narrative?

I don't see anything on that link that contradicts the graph. The graph was generated using data from the CDC.

Wide spread testing isn't done for the flu so you have to use estimates.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

The solution is very simple! Make it a law to wear a damn mask (highly effective), Wash your hands frequently, follow social distancing, and test everybody.

Make it a Law to wear a mask?? That is hilarious

 

[cycloneG]

Make it a Law to wear a mask?? That is hilarious

18 States and D.C. currently require masks in public.

https://masks4all.co/what-states-require-masks/

 

[Statefan10]

18 States and D.C. currently require masks in public.

https://masks4all.co/what-states-require-masks/

Making it a law would be interesting, however as you stated, requiring to enter certain places is fine in my opinion. It's their business, or in Iowa State's case, a University where they want everyone, including their own staff members and students, to be safe. If you require a mask, they're not saying you're going to get arrested for being in there without one, they're saying you may not enter and will be asked to leave.

 

[Urbandale2013]

Yea based on what's happening in Texas and how majority of our conference is there.

We ain't having a season. Book it.

If we are at a point to have a season and other Big 12 schools aren’t we would join up with another conference or something.

Eventually everyone will get COVID. That is possibly true. But there are a lot of promising vaccine candidates being tested right now. We may end up in a situation - a lot like the way we handle the flu which keeps getting brought up - where many people, especially those with pre-existing conditions, get a periodic vaccine to limit their chances of getting and reduce the severity of infection. While this is all difficult, I don't think taking measures to limit the spread while we give the vaccines time to be tested is too high of a price to pay for saving lives of many who a vulnerable and a few that have no pre-existing condition. In my mind the loss of the ability to attend one season of football games isn't even in the conversation of prices too high to pay. Neither is covering my face when out in public.

My octogenarian mother and septuagenarian in-laws probably agree.

The key is when might we expect a vaccine. If we actually get a vaccine by next spring I think people would be more willing to make sacrifices now. I don’t think there is widespread confidence in getting that. I think that is where a lot of the push to reopen comes from. I think there are a lot of people who see the let’s not do this or that people would advocate for that indefinitely even if we don’t get a vaccine by next spring.

I think people have to realize the perspective others are coming from. If someone isn’t confident in getting a vaccine in the foreseeable future it makes sense that they wouldn’t want to stay shut down. If someone thinks a vaccine is in the near future it makes sense that they would say let’s just wait until then.