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Clone95

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If you have Harris/Bolton/JCL/Johnson in the starting line up, there is enough ability to distribute there (and guys that can get their own basket) that not having a high assist% PG isn't a big worry. The main thing is getting Solo the ball in good scoring position, because he is so efficient, he's basically a guaranteed bucket when getting the ball in good position.
 

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@isutrevman you rated this observation as dumb. I’m curious as to why?

Prohm doesn’t recruit a lot of true PG types.
I don't think there is much evidence to suggest he doesn't recruit true PG. In the 3 years after Monte Morris, I'd say we had a true PG every year. Haliburton was obviously elite, but Babb was still a pass first PG.
 

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Doesn't want a 2x all-Big Ten defensive guy with a high assist rate. One who was a rotational guy and then starter at a good Purdue program.

Does want a Big West guy (who I am pretty sure has never won any awards) who was demanding minutes/usage that only Bolton really deserves.

Talent > rigid adherence to positional archetypes
You really need a lot of work on your reading comprehension. You're embarrassing yourself here.

I posted that Eastern is not a guard, his desired position for some misguided reason. If he insists on playing guard with his current shooting range of 10 ft (or less), that is a problem. I clearly stated that he is a take as a 4 or 5.

And regarding Buggs, what I've posted about him is solely in comparison to Harris. Harris is a 5-9 backup shooting guard who doesn't address the glaring needs for a facilitator and defensive length. Buggs did much moreso for both.

Got it?
 

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I don't think there is much evidence to suggest he doesn't recruit true PG. In the 3 years after Monte Morris, I'd say we had a true PG every year. Haliburton was obviously elite, but Babb was still a pass first PG.

Prohm did not recruit Babb.
 

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You really need a lot of work on your reading comprehension. You're embarrassing yourself here.

I posted that Eastern is not a guard, his desired position for some misguided reason. If he insists on playing guard with his current shooting range of 10 ft (or less), that is a problem. I clearly stated that he is a take as a 4 or 5.

And regarding Buggs, what I've posted about him is solely in comparison to Harris. Harris is a 5-9 backup shooting guard who doesn't address the glaring needs for a facilitator and defensive length. Buggs did much moreso for both.

Got it?

Do not (1.) flatter yourself that other people on here do not know how to read or (2.) play Calvinball, insisting that nobody understands your point.

Again, you are stuck in a 1990s (or 1960s) adherence to positional archetypes. I do not care if he is a "guard" or a "wing" or a "post." What were Horton-Tucker (a 6'4" bowling ball of a player) or Deonte Burton (a 6'4" freak of nature athlete) when they were playing a titular 4 position for us during their halcyon years? Neither of them was a "stretch big" or a traditional PF or even a traditional guard. They were just basketball players.

Eastern can (and will and has) play on the outside for somebody even if he cannot shoot. Why...? Because he can still pass, and people sagging off him too much gives him a runway to drive and/or opens up more vision and passing lanes for him. I agree that he is an odd mixture of skills, but for a coach who has proven some offensive acumen in Prohm, he would be a valuable piece of for us. You can make talent work.

Prohm has not proven much defensive acumen, so just having a guy who knows how to D-up on his own as a crutch to that would be pretty useful.

Buggs was a below-average player in a much worse conference than the Big Ten if you are comparing him to Eastern, and even that is a much worse conference than the American and Penny's ascending Memphis program. Jeff Beverly was the best player on a C*USA team, and he was awful in Ames. The Big West is even a step down from that, and Buggs was far from the best player on his team. I doubt he scales up to high-major ball.

You take talented guys with unique skills -- not mediocre ones who expect to play way too large of a role because we "need a PG just so awfully badly."

Our offense kept rolling without Tyrese with a PG by committee of Bolton, Jackson, and Nixon. We still have Bolton and Jackson, and Nixon was just a bad player so no loss there. Whatever handle he provided is probably replaced by Johnson, Coleman-Lands, Harris, and the incoming freshman. We will be fine on that front.

Buggs is bigger than Harris, yeah, but Harris is a twitchy athlete who at least has a chance of staying in front of guys in the Big 12. I would imagine Buggs was going to be doing a lot of olé when Big 12 athletes (well, SEC athletes) drive around him easily.

Talent > positions
 
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Prohm did not recruit Babb.
OK, so the only example we have of seasons where Prohm had a PG he recruited is the last 2 years with Haliburton, who is a true PG. I don't understand how you come up with the idea that Prohm doesn't recruit PGs outside of Haliburton, when that is the only example we have to look at.
 

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OK, so the only example we have of seasons where Prohm had a PG he recruited is the last 2 years with Haliburton, who is a true PG. I don't understand how you come up with the idea that Prohm doesn't recruit PGs outside of Haliburton, when that is the only example we have to look at.[/QUOTE

Which true PG’s has he recruited to ISU other than TH? I made no judgement on this in my post. Simply an observation.
 

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I only brought up Buggs again because it was obvious that he wanted to be a Cyclone and stories of having to be a 30+ minutes a game guaranteed starter are not true at all.

The “premium” info on this board reminds me of when Tommy Boy says “If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will.”
 

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I only brought up Buggs again because it was obvious that he wanted to be a Cyclone and stories of having to be a 30+ minutes a game guaranteed starter are not true at all.

The “premium” info on this board reminds me of when Tommy Boy says “If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will.”

pay for a month of the premium board info and if you’re not satisfied with it then stop your payment but until you do, don’t rag on the people getting information from Chris and others that is not getting posted in the open site.
 

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I only brought up Buggs again because it was obvious that he wanted to be a Cyclone and stories of having to be a 30+ minutes a game guaranteed starter are not true at all.

The “premium” info on this board reminds me of when Tommy Boy says “If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will.”

Anonymous poster without an avatar versus the CF staff.

I know which side I am on.
 

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I only brought up Buggs again because it was obvious that he wanted to be a Cyclone and stories of having to be a 30+ minutes a game guaranteed starter are not true at all.

The “premium” info on this board reminds me of when Tommy Boy says “If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will.”

I think it was pretty apparent that Prohm preferred other guards to Buggs. Coleman-Lands and Harris are both superior talents.

Not saying Buggs is a bad player, just not a high ceiling. And we didn't need a ball-dominant PG.

If Harris, Bolton and Coleman-Lands are Cyclone starters I see a 3 headed PG. Each very similar players who can break down defenders off the dribble or be a spot up jump shooter.

If Harris has the will, he can be an outstanding defender. His height won't be an issue if the coaching staff does its job.
 

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