Yeah, I have watched him play and some opposing teams have had success laying off him beyond 10 feet. He is a good ball handler and passer and those skills would be more beneficial to his team if he was a better outside shooter. Also, his poor FT shooting makes him a major liability offensively when trying to protect a late game lead.
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Where did the story of Buggs saying he wanted a starting spot and 30 minutes a game come from? I guess I don’t buy that at all—-the version I was told is that his family is from the Ames area, he was ready to commit and Prohm never offered him a scholarship and strung him along for 2 weeks in hopes of getting Harris. I hope he does well at Mizzou, but I also think he pushes the needle and is more talented than Harris. Probably could have got both and their paths never cross when it comes to playing time. Who knows!
I just want to go on record that I am seriously intrigued by how a D1 basketball player can be that poor of a shooter. It honestly confounds me.
Based on past performance/production, Buggs would have addressed the facilitator roster gap better than Harris and provided needed defensive length moreso as well. At 5-9, Harris runs the risk of being exploited defensively in the B12. If there was truly a Buggs or Harris decision path on ISU's end, the Harris decision will probably bite the staff in the ass.
I don't buy that Buggs is better than Harris. And Harris is here for 2 years to Buggs 1
Totally disagree.
Harris will be better for ISU next year if he gets his waiver. than Buggs would have been. Plus the staff has a long prior relationship with Tyler with the idea that he's be successful in Prohm's system. Harris may have some defensive liabilities but makes up for it with offense IMO.
So you hesitate on Eastern (2x All B1G defense) because he can't shoot but Buggs, a career 40% shooter from the field and 28% from 3 (Both worse than Nojel, in the Big West conference)is a miss?
Buggs clearly addressed immediate roster gaps better than Harris will and Prohm is currently on a one year plan at ISU.
I guess that's my question. Surely they are practicing their shooting, right? It honestly just intrigues me how this can happen.
Oh yeah they practice shooting, but you can't get better by scheduled practices. You have to put in countless hours outside of practice in order to get better. If someone was just an okay shooter in general and don't put in more hours to get better, they'll stay the same.
Buggs has not been a good outside shooter but he would clearly facilitate offense from the perimeter better than Eastern would (and Harris for that matter). Plus, Buggs shoots 70% on FTs so at least he could help protect late game leads unlike Eastern.
And you evidently have comprehension issues. I posted that if Eastern insists on playing guard, you hesitate taking him as an immediately eligible player because his poor outside shooting precludes him from playing there on a good team. Maybe a sit out year would improve his outside shooting to the point where he would provide offensive value as a guard. You do take him if he will play the 4 or 5.
See that's the key here.. Prohm is not going to bring in Eastern to play PG. If we'd get him, we'd use him like Deonte, and I know Deonte could shoot. We're not even sure if Prohm is interested in him at this point, but Prohm wouldn't be bringing in Eastern for his offensive play, rather it'd be for his defense. His defense is good enough to overcome his offense deficiencies.
Buggs wanted a guaranteed starting spot, 35+ minutes, and high usage.
Considering his shooting numbers in the Big West, which is not even as good as the Mountain West, we were looking at a poor man's Prentiss Nixon.
That would have been awful.
If Buggs wanted to come here so he could be a Cyclone and provide depth, work hard in practice, be an older locker room guy for an inexperienced team, generally look to assist Bolton and crew, play defense and not hunt his own shot, and fight to earn more playing time, I would have welcomed him with open arms.
But he did not want that.
Taking him would under his terms would have been a ticking time bomb.
The topic was Buggs vs Harris.
Buggs has a pass first mentality much moreso than both Harris and Nixon and has been significantly more effective than both in the role of a pass first facilitator, which is the most glaring roster gap. No one else on the current projected roster has displayed past success at the D1 level in that role like Buggs has. Harris was a 5-9 SG at Memphis and his lack of playmaking production was why he was essentially run off there by Penny. Maybe he somehow morphs into an effective facilitator at ISU but I don't have my hopes up for that to happen, especially without a sit out season.
Red = not what he said he wanted to have
Blue = Buggs' career A:T is like 3:2... better than Nixon and Harris, but both were billed as combo guards and Nixon generally sucked, so not a fair comparison
Green = being a decent PG in the Big West (and 8th on his own team in PRPG! which is pretty hilarious considering Hawaii finished 8-8 in conference so yeah this guy is not good) and assuming that scales up into the Big 12 without any issue is suspect
Talent trumps rigid adherence to positional archetypes every time. Plus, the offense actually maintained its adjusted efficiency last year after Haliburton went down. It was the defense that truly went to hell without Tyrese. I think you are underestimating our ability just to make do without a formal PG and/or for Bolton and Jackson to share.
They did last year and, again, the offense held relatively steady in efficiency without Haliburton. Feeding Young worked. Not having Tyrese's raptor-like wingspan and raptor-like ability to steal the ball hurt the defense, though. Clever girl.
I figure they wanted Harris as a CG/scorer more than a true PG, too.
