Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[ArgentCy]

It wasn’t a pandemic 6 months ago if that’s when patient zero was infected. So dumb.

It means the scientists and even worse, the politicians, were WAY behind the curve on this thing. I'm 95% sure it showed up at home in mid-January. It's highly likely you've already been exposed. I was worried about this thing in Jan. Not at all now.

 

[isutrevman]

I'm not going to a movie theater or a fair or any other crowded place until I know I'm immune or I have a vaccine. I'm guessing millions and millions of other Americans are in the same place. It's not "just another thing" that can kill you until it's under control - it's the thing that's killing people at a rate faster than anything else since, what, the civil war?

70-85 mill died during WWII (about 3% of the world's population) according to wikipedia. Lucky I don't think we'll sniff that.

 

[mynameisjonas]

Yes, it is pretty much for sure gone after the vaccine becomes available. Don't you believe in vaccines?

Unless it mutates, which is a very real possibility that would create a whole new set of challenges.

 

[Urbandale2013]

It’s a coping mechanism of the fortunate. “Hey, I’m not selfish, I’m worried about the greater good”

Can we at least wait until we know more about this virus before we get impatient? Unfortunately, as a society we likely can’t wait as long as it will take to get a competent response, largely thanks to the Administration.

I also think the opposite is true. It’s a coping mechanism of the affluent to say let’s keep it shut down until it’s “safe”. I’m not worried about money at the moment but I have family who are. As I’ve always said it’s about finding that balance. We need people to question if we’ve done enough to save lives. At the same time we need people to question if we are doing to much. That tug of war helps us get to the right answer.

 

[Entropy]

Unless it mutates, which is a very real possibility that would create a whole new set of challenges.

That's the fun part of building a vaccine.
Identifying a portion of it that if it mutates, it affects its ability to function.
There's a reason why scientists are shooting for the spike protein. It's critical to the function of the virus for infection. The issue is that it's covered by sugars that are acting like a shield, and the sugars can vary depending on the host that it came from.
Sugars are the colored portions below, the protein itself (which is normally what you would target with the vaccine) is in gray. Ideally, the body builds up antibodies to the spike protein, which would then be a critical target.

As you can see, the shields are really well placed, making it tricky to hit. HIV utilizes a similar sugar mechanism.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...NdPIW0_5eMGaAWBD1u_10qHSERF97sL6mSjyVvUuOBoSs

 

[isutrevman]

Yes, it is pretty much for sure gone after the vaccine becomes available. Don't you believe in vaccines?

We don't know that. We have flu vaccines but that hasn't eradicated it because it mutates enough that the vaccine doesn't catch every strain. A vaccine could certainly help limit how many people get it in a specific season though, which would be huge. And yes, it could also potentially eradicate it (hopefully that's the case).

 

[Stewo]

The only issue I've seen with people wearing masks in places like grocery stores is that some people apparently develop a false sense of security. Of course, this isn't meant to be a blanket statement, but on more than one occasion, someone wearing a mask has been on my heels while standing in a checkout line.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

I also think the opposite is true. It’s a coping mechanism of the affluent to say let’s keep it shut down until it’s “safe”. I’m not worried about money at the moment but I have family who are. As I’ve always said it’s about finding that balance. We need people to question if we’ve done enough to save lives. At the same time we need people to question if we are doing to much. That tug of war helps us get to the right answer.

Affluent folks probably think their white privilege and superior health insurance will save them and want things opened back up.

 

[Clonefan94]

The only issue I've seen with people wearing masks in places like grocery stores is that some people apparently develop a false sense of security. Of course, this isn't meant to be a blanket statement, but on more than one occasion, someone wearing a mask has been on my heels while standing in a checkout line.

Wow, you are lucky, yours was wearing a mask. Every time I go to the store, the people who aren't practicing social distancing are the ones not wearing any PPEs.

 

[Stewo]

Wow, you are lucky, yours was wearing a mask. Every time I go to the store, the people who aren't practicing social distancing are the ones not wearing any PPEs.

I should have added the disclaimer that my statement doesn't include Walmart. MF'ers there will still lick your face. They dgaf.

 

[WhoISthis]

I also think the opposite is true. It’s a coping mechanism of the affluent to say let’s keep it shut down until it’s “safe”. I’m not worried about money at the moment but I have family who are. As I’ve always said it’s about finding that balance. We need people to question if we’ve done enough to save lives. At the same time we need people to question if we are doing to much. That tug of war helps us get to the right answer.

Of course it’s about balance. These people like Pride didn’t even make it a few weeks.

It’s really hard not to see this “tug” to find answers as a “both sides” garbage. We haven’t yet approached a competent response, let alone too much.

I love your optimism, and in theory, sure, we need people to question if we’ve done too much. But right now that’s like a 300lb fat ass worrying about whether they’ve worked out too much after walking a few blocks home from an all-you-csn-eat buffet.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Once again, this is pulled from your own ass with little data to back it up, but yet you keep repeating it.

There are factors that are increased by the shutdown. There are also factors (aside from covid itself) that are decreased by the shutdown. But you keep repeating this garbage without any data behind it, when the one 'known' is that covid will kill a lot of people if things are opened back up.

It's counterinitiative, and goes against the grain of talk radio populist ********, but mortality rates decreased in America during the Great Depression. Life expectancy actually increased, and not by a modest amount either. If millions of people had starved to death or committed suicide that won't be the findings. Suicide rates increased slightly but were on par with today's 1.7% +/- percentage of deaths.

Some of the references to millions of people starving to death here in the USA come from a Russian propaganda piece. Same piece compares WPA work camps to Gulags.

 

[CycloneErik]

I should have added the disclaimer that my statement doesn't include Walmart. MF'ers there will still lick your face. They dgaf.

I apologized. Don't have to drag it up over and over. Geez.

 

[Stewo]

I apologized. Don't have to drag it up over and over. Geez.

I wasn't going to out you, but since you went ahead...

 

[Urbandale2013]

Of course it’s about balance. These people like Pride didn’t even make it a few weeks.

It’s really hard not to see this “tug” to find answers as a “both sides” garbage. We haven’t yet approached a competent response, let alone too much.

I love your optimism, and in theory, sure, we need people to question if we’ve done too much. But right now that’s like a 300lb fat ass worrying about whether they’ve worked out too much after walking a few blocks home from an all-you-csn-eat buffet.

Everything’s been shut down for a month or so. I agree we haven’t gotten a competent response but at the same time I disagree that it isn’t fair to ask if we are venturing into the to far category.

We are nearing the breaking point IMO for when the economic impact becomes more long term. If we don’t start opening some things back up in the next two weeks then we will see the more dire projections of closing businesses.

It’s more asking if the overweight person walking from the all you can eat buffet is going to have a heart attack if they finish walking.

 

[Clone83]

Predictions and analysis from a top advisor to the Swedish government

Top Swedish Epidemiologist: In the End, There Will Be Little Difference with Countries Who’ve Locked Down and Who Didn’t [5 minute video at link]
https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2020/04/top-swedish-epidemiologist-in-end-there.html

I think what we’re seeing is a tsunami of a usually quite mild disease," says Johan Giesecke.

Real Clear Politics informs:
Professor Johan Giesecke is one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government, and the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.

The full 30 minute interview at RCP and link to the original source [which I haven’t watched yet]
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...secke_why_lockdowns_are_the_wrong_policy.html

 

[BoxsterCy]

Wow, you are lucky, yours was wearing a mask. Every time I go to the store, the people who aren't practicing social distancing are the ones not wearing any PPEs.

Had to make a Home Depot run today, in and out to grab some stain killing primer. I was the only person I saw wearing a mask and had to practically rub shoulders with half a dozen employees just standing in the way in from of the checkouts. Just standing there bullshitting. JFC at least stand back out of the ******* way. Same thing when I was walking down the isle, had trouble keeping distance from the employees who were just milling around everywhere. Worse I had to use a hand-scanner. Was kinda hoping they had a built-in scanner but nope.

 

[mywayorcyway]

Had to make a Home Depot run today... Worse I had to use a hand-scanner. Was kinda hoping they had a built-in scanner but nope.

I made a HD run last week and I just needed one thing. In and out. Got to the checkout.....ahhhhhhhhhh.....that damn hand held scanner. Forgot about that. Gross. Pickup from now on or I won't go back.

 

[Mr Janny]

I should have added the disclaimer that my statement doesn't include Walmart. MF'ers there will still lick your face. They dgaf.

The stark difference between Walmart and other stores has been laid absolutely bare during this pandemic. Target is very orderly. They've automated a lot of things. Hy-Vee to some degree as well. You go in one door and out another. There are arrows in the aisles indicating the preferred direction of traffic.

Walmart is god-damned Mos Eisley by comparison. Their idea of pandemic response is to use hand sanitizer after every time they give people the middle finger.

 

[CycloneErik]

I wasn't going to out you, but since you went ahead...

Enter the produce section at your own peril next time.