Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[madguy30]

Time to open up Iowa. This was the biggest exaggeration of all time. University of Stanford has done the most in-depth review and they haven’t played party lines. They have continued to show the data that this virus is a complete overreaction.

There's over 30,000 people's families and friends in this country that have had experiences over the last month that disagree with you, and this virus doesn't stop at state lines.

There's still also a threat of overwhelming medical centers even if the infection rate is low.

Go tell the workers in NYC that have had to fill trucks with bodies that this is the biggest exaggeration of all time.

 

[Rabbuk]

August first start dates with a summer session probably. Don't plan a summer vacation if you have kids.

im not sure a summer session is in the cards. I think it'd probably depend on the language of a teacher contract? Teachers are getting paid and working right now... so they would have to be compensated additionally for a summer session.

 

[NEPatriotscy]

This problem with this line of though is related to the development of a therapeutics.


I just don't subscribe to your X number of people are going to die no matter what line of thinking.

Exactly! I don't know how he can come to such a conclusion.

 

[madguy30]

I'm perfectly fine with that if it can happen. There is going to be a needed remediation period to start the school year most likely, just think of all the things the kids are missing out on at the end of the school year that helps prepare them for the next grade.

I had a feeling this was coming with how things have trended recently. I'm a little sad today because our oldest is in kindergarten and just loved school and we've had some tough conversations with her about what is going on right now. She is a motivated learner and have been trying to keep her going with learning materials but it will never replicate the learning environment a school classroom with a teacher can provide.

I'm in education and this is a good case study of how much more effective in-person interactions are on the whole.

There's parts of business that show that as well obviously.

 

[CascadeClone]

It may very well turn out to be an exaggerated response, but you can't look at the situation in hindsight and say we're did the wrong things. We don't know what we're don't know.

It's funny. There's about 10% of people who want martial law, shoot on sight, lockdown and nothing less is good enough. There's about 10% who think that this is just a bad cold and it should be situation normal.

I don't think that every action taken (in Iowa, or in other places) has been perfectly right, but I think the overall level of response has been appropriate. It's bought time to do research and learn more about this thing -- so future actions can be more targeted and effective, and less disruptive.

 

[NEPatriotscy]

The problem is you are claiming we need to take strong enough action to stop the spread long enough for something like Remdesivir to be proven. I think that is unrealistic and potentially more damaging than the current course.

The headlines are really overplaying this. Saying it had "great success" is simply not true. I am not in the medical field, but I've been on many papers published in scientific journals. The drug may work, but the studies were garbage and in normal circumstance would have no prayer of getting published. They are poorly done with no legitimate controls. On top of it, 25% had severe side effects along the lines of things that people at risk due to underlying medical conditions would likely not tolerate. Don't like my take, here's a more authoritative one:

Here's a quote: ' “The data from this paper are almost uninterpretable,” Stephen Evans, a professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, told Bloomberg. “There is some evidence suggesting efficacy, but we simply do not know what would have happened to these patients had they not been given the drug.”

A realistic assessment of Remdesivir is that with a poorly executed study there is some hope that it might be effective in helping some patients with COVID-19, but the side effects are such that many of those most likely to die from COVID-19 aren't going to be able to tolerate the side effects. Figuring out IF it works and to what extent, who can tolerate it, what dosages, duration, etc. is going to take months. I am hopeful this or something else works, but determining action based on these tests is not sound decision-making.

My opinion is there is a good chance this drug will help some people, but by the time it can be proven and administered, mass exposure to the virus will have already happened unless you start closing down activities to the point that critical supply chains are crippled, mass numbers of people are unemployed, and there could be massive economic damage that leads to major health and safety problems.

Gilead is not the only company working on therapeutics. There are quite a few. It's also possible that we can ease into opening up a few companies but only while adhering to strict social distancing. The key is MASSIVE testing which we do not yet have. Hopefully, testing will greatly improve the next few weeks. We were promised quite a few weeks ago enough testing would not be a problem. What a bunch of BS that was. The major fault lies with the leadership in the White House.

 

[Stewo]

It's funny. There's about 10% of people who want martial law, shoot on sight, lockdown and nothing less is good enough. There's about 10% who think that this is just a bad cold and it should be situation normal.

I don't think that every action taken (in Iowa, or in other places) has been perfectly right, but I think the overall level of response has been appropriate. It's bought time to do research and learn more about this thing -- so future actions can be more targeted and effective, and less disruptive.

Couple that with the fact this started in a country with one of the most unreliable governments in the world, so we're not getting full details, let alone timely and accurate info. Lots of "worse case scenarios" contributing to this thing.

 

[NEPatriotscy]

Iowa schools will not be returning this year, per Reynolds presser.

Wow! That's a shocking revelation by Reynolds. I could have told her that sometime in February.

 

[CascadeClone]

Well...this is kind of my point on a societal view. Are people living within their means? Are big houses necessary? Newest greatest cars and accessories? I drove by a house the other day--they have a full on tennis court and basketball court in their yard. I get it: they earned the money, and they can spend it how they wish. But what's needed?

It's rare to see a subdivision full of $500,000 houses that look even remotely necessary vs. space needed.

Regardless, could many of these people afford to donate a good chunk and still have these accessories? There's been a few notable donations I've seen from some that were up around $1 million. Apparently they were comfortable with that. Are there more in that category? I'd bet so.

Who gets to decide how much money I "need"?
Who gets to decide how much money other people get to "donate"?
Because I would REALLY like to be on that committee.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Expand unemployment benefits on a temporary basis.

Give it another month to month and a half, and many, many small businesses will have disappeared.

 

[AuH2O]

Time to open up Iowa. This was the biggest exaggeration of all time. University of Stanford has done the most in-depth review and they haven’t played party lines. They have continued to show the data that this virus is a complete overreaction.

You can see by my more recent posts that I'm one of the more optimistic ones regarding Iowa's situation, but looking at the numbers and claiming it's a huge overreaction is not smart. Every place in the US took by far the most extreme measures in modern times, so it's not like we can compare any type of death data to anything in the past.

Without exception, everywhere this virus has shown up, the following two things are true: 1. Without significant measures similar to what the US has taken, the virus spreads rapidly and overwhelms hospital resources. 2. When hospital resources are overwhelmed, the mortality rate goes WAY up.

At the same time we have people throwing a fit in Iowa because we have an increase in cases or deaths and think that means what we're doing here is a complete disaster.

I think there are reasonable degrees to which both sides can argue, but based on other parts of the world and the US, what we're doing in Iowa has been pretty necessary. Likewise, what we're doing in Iowa is working.

 

[jsb]

Give it another month to month and a half, and many, many small businesses will have disappeared.

they should have saved more money......

 

[NEPatriotscy]

Time to open up Iowa. This was the biggest exaggeration of all time. University of Stanford has done the most in-depth review and they haven’t played party lines. They have continued to show the data that this virus is a complete overreaction.

Overreaction?? Are you kidding me? What would have happened by now if there was NO ACTION at all taken in the various states?

 

[Cyclonepride]

they should have saved more money......

And by that logic, all their employees should have too, huh?

 

[knowlesjam]

Time to open up Iowa. This was the biggest exaggeration of all time. University of Stanford has done the most in-depth review and they haven’t played party lines. They have continued to show the data that this virus is a complete overreaction.

Here is the review you are falling back on...there is absolutely nothing new here...Stanford simply states that the fatality rate based on case number is magnitudes higher than the fatality rate based on infected numbers. This was taken into account by the National Health Institute and is why the number of estimated deaths has fallen from 250,000 to around 70,000.

https://fsi.stanford.edu/news/coronavirus-deadly-they-say

Bottom line is that CV kills people and eliminating restrictions will cause additional deaths as health systems get overwhelmed...see Italy...see Spain, see NYC.

 

[BCClone]

im not sure a summer session is in the cards. I think it'd probably depend on the language of a teacher contract? Teachers are getting paid and working right now... so they would have to be compensated additionally for a summer session.

There is leeway in there due to many schools not requiring any contact for a week or so. It was encouraged but not required for our school up til last week. They also have contract hours in there, like 8:00 to 3:50. Not filling these hours for the most part, at least most of local ones aren't hitting around 8 hours. Plus they usually have 190 day contracts with 180 days of usual kid contact, so there would be 5-10 days there. Also, if instructors fought a two week summer session, it would be a bad look.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

There's over 30,000 people's families and friends in this country that have had experiences over the last month that disagree with you, and this virus doesn't stop at state lines.

There's still also a threat of overwhelming medical centers even if the infection rate is low.

Go tell the workers in NYC that have had to fill trucks with bodies that this is the biggest exaggeration of all time.

Overreaction?? Are you kidding me? What would have happened by now if there was NO ACTION at all taken in the various states?

Fear porn running high on CF! Sweden did virtually nothing in all this, how they doing?

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

August first start dates with a summer session probably. Don't plan a summer vacation if you have kids.

That won't happen. There are still a lot of schools in rural Iowa that don't have air conditioning.

 

[BCClone]

That won't happen. There are still a lot of schools in rural Iowa that don't have air conditioning.

The ones in my area do, and I would say I'm far from anything metro. Then I guess they will go to shortened days. You can't just walk away from 1/4 of a year.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Fear porn running high on CF! Sweden did virtually nothing in all this, how they doing?

Your take is really dumb and you should feel bad. If you think that no action is fine you are reading way too much right wing propaganda. I've read some stupid sh!t over the years but you may have just slid into the top 5.