This is why Prohm must go........

[rochclone]

What we "know" of the roster at that point (and yes, all of this can change) --

Seniors = Bolton, Johnson, Griffin, Conditt
Juniors = Jackson, Grill
Sophomores = Walker, Dubar, Blackwell, Foster

I know so many want him gone, and I am frustrated right now, too, but if the program shows progress next year, I could see Pollard giving Prohm another year after next to see what he can do with senior Bolton, Johnson, Conditt and a year of experience for the sophomores, because if it is not working by that point, it will never work at all.

I don’t disagree with you that JP may go in that direction. But if you are pulling the plug after 2021-22 then presumably that would be a failure to make the tournament in 4 of the last five years. At that point you are the equivalent of Vanderbilt, Oregon State, or Wake Forest. You are probably not even sniffing the best of the mid-major coaching candidates.
The best option is for it to work with CSP. But JP will take a major risk in going beyond next year if we miss the tournament. A lot can change with the roster in 6-8 months. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 7-8 new faces next year. Hopefully we get Blackwell but I think there is a substantial chance that he never makes it to Ames.
It’s just extremely difficult to be staring at this reality when the program was where it was in 2015.

 

[CyCrazy]

I agree with you- I don't think the team completely collapses, nor do I think it's 100% certain TH leaves. However, I do think if there is a collapse that leaves the fanbase without hope or optimism next year, the financial equation is far more complicated than simply the reduction in Prohm's buyout.

Why would TH stick around for this **** show if he is projected to be a lottery pick. Get real.

 

[Clonefan32]

I'd take him.

Hell I'd take Judas Iscariot if he could teach rebounding and offense.

 

[AuH2O]

What we "know" of the roster at that point (and yes, all of this can change) --

Seniors = Bolton, Johnson, Griffin, Conditt
Juniors = Jackson, Grill
Sophomores = Walker, Dubar, Blackwell, Foster

I know so many want him gone, and I am frustrated right now, too, but if the program shows progress next year, I could see Pollard giving Prohm another year after next to see what he can do with senior Bolton, Johnson, Conditt and a year of experience for the sophomores, because if it is not working by that point, it will never work at all.

I'm actually very interested to see what Bolton does next year. The guy has a quickness and ability to get in the lane unlike any player I've seen at ISU. Obviously he has a lot to develop - namely better first step to the left and finishing with the left, as well as pulling up and/or dishing with consistency when the help comes. But holy ****, the guy's going right and everybody knows it, and he can get into the lane at will.

 

[CycloneErik]

Hell I'd take Judas Iscariot if he could teach rebounding and offense.

Save money there, too. Guy worked cheap.

 

[Statefan10]

I agree with you- I don't think the team completely collapses, nor do I think it's 100% certain TH leaves. However, I do think if there is a collapse that leaves the fanbase without hope or optimism next year, the financial equation is far more complicated than simply the reduction in Prohm's buyout.

Oh yes. It's definitely a difficult situation for Pollard if next year's season doesn't go well. The program won't be making as much money, there's a large buyout, and you're probably not going to be able to pay a top coach because he'll be asking for a lot. So, do you ride with the coach and the players and assume things will get better or do you pull the plug and start from scratch? I have no clue.

And somewhat agree with you on Tyrese. I have no clue what's going on in that kid's mind to say for sure he's 100% satisfied with his college career. I think it'll come down to if he's still considered a lottery pick by the end of the season. If he's hovering around the lottery or is picked to fall later in the draft, I could definitely see him coming back next year. If he's a shoe in lottery pick, I would bet he leaves but you truly never know.

 

[JD720]

Steve Alford did it. You could argue McDermott did too, although he was going to get another year.

I don't think either of them still had 5 years left on their contracts. Sure, they were walking away from potential buyouts, but not a large as Prohm would be. Prohm could do an "Alford flee" in a couple years, but I can't see it now.

 

[BryceC]

TH would be absolutely insane to come back. He'll be a first rounder at worst, and it's a terrible draft. One of the worst by draftniks in a while. The chance of him improving his stock has to be very close to zero

The '17-'18 team was weird. They looked really good some games and others looked like garbage. They throttled #8 Tech and #15 WVU at home, while also beating #17 OU at home as well. We lost two OT games against Texas and Okie State. We also only lost to KU both times by a combined 11 points. Some of the other losses were obviously bad but others were respectable and we had opportunities to win.. I think the loss of Solomon really hurt our chances of possibly picking up a couple more victories towards the end of the year.

The team this year has to figure it out though to gain any momentum for next season. It should come easier too. @ WVU and @ KU are losses, but there are tremendous opportunities the rest of the way to get better.

That year was a bad year, but like you said, there was stuff to be positive about. There was the idea that the team could jump up and beat a good team especially at home. The exact opposite is happening this year.

What we "know" of the roster at that point (and yes, all of this can change) --

Seniors = Bolton, Johnson, Griffin, Conditt
Juniors = Jackson, Grill
Sophomores = Walker, Dubar, Blackwell, Foster

I know so many want him gone, and I am frustrated right now, too, but if the program shows progress next year, I could see Pollard giving Prohm another year after next to see what he can do with senior Bolton, Johnson, Conditt and a year of experience for the sophomores, because if it is not working by that point, it will never work at all.

Prohm is officially on hot seat watch for me. He makes the tourney next year or I want him gone and yes, I'll be a pissy little ***** about it. 3 out of 4 years with no tourney is worse than Wayne Morgan after Larry nuclear meltdown.

 

[Statefan10]

TH would be absolutely insane to come back. He'll be a first rounder at worst, and it's a terrible draft. One of the worst by draftniks in a while. The chance of him improving his stock has to be very close to zero



That year was a bad year, but like you said, there was stuff to be positive about. There was the idea that the team could jump up and beat a good team especially at home. The exact opposite is happening this year.



Prohm is officially on hot seat watch for me. He makes the tourney next year or I want him gone and yes, I'll be a pissy little ***** about it. 3 out of 4 years with no tourney is worse than Wayne Morgan after Larry nuclear meltdown.

Yeah I don't think Tyrese the reasoning behind Tyrese coming back would necessarily be to enhance his draft stock, rather that he might feel a sense of dissatisfaction in regards to his career in college. If he's not a lottery and goes in the first round, his mindset could be to come back for another year to help the program out, while still being a first rounder.

Now with that being said, if he is still projected as a lottery pick, he's not coming back. You don't turn that down.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Prohm is officially on hot seat watch for me. He makes the tourney next year or I want him gone and yes, I'll be a pissy little ***** about it. 3 out of 4 years with no tourney is worse than Wayne Morgan after Larry nuclear meltdown.

Just saying --

"I got all these seniors, we can turn it around!"

= what he might sell Pollard on and/or Pollard and Prohm might sell us on

Buckle up. You are probably going to need to be a pissy little ***** a lot.

Yeah I don't think Tyrese the reasoning behind Tyrese coming back would necessarily be to enhance his draft stock, rather that he might feel a sense of dissatisfaction in regards to his career in college. If he's not a lottery and goes in the first round, his mindset could be to come back for another year to help the program out, while still being a first rounder.

Now with that being said, if he is still projected as a lottery pick, he's not coming back. You don't turn that down.

I love Tyrese, and one of my favorite things about him now is that he is still going really hard even though plenty of guys would have a foot out the door.

But he should not leave millions on the table and delay the "clock" on his first real NBA deal by a year over Iowa State basketball having one bum year.

 

[megamanxzero35]

What I hear, Haliburton absolutely loves college and Iowa State. I'd put him at maybe 90% leaving. I could see him coming back wanting to leave on a solid year instead of a bad one and a flame out in the NCAA tourney his freshman year. Miles Bridges came back and Zion has said he wanted to come back but K and his parents told him no. Some guys are wired differently. Haliburton seems more like those guys and less like say Wiggington who didn't want to go to college at all.

 

[CyBobby]

They will be bad again next year but my guess is Jamie gives him another year after that as well.

You could right...and I repeat..."I put the over and under on csp's tenure at ISU at 2 years."

 

[GrindingAway]

Discussing the possibility of TH being here next year and CSP not being here aren't worth anyone's time. Are either 100%? No, nothing is 100%, but the odds of TH staying or CSP going/getting fired are so small it's not worth any time discussing. The more valuable discussion is what can change next year to show improvement.

The discussion on the players has been had a lot. We have some talent coming and I'd expect to be looking to the JuCo/transfer market to bring in some more immediate impact guys.

The question in my opinion is how the coaching staff changes. I'm not convinced Prohm can't be a successful coach here. He's had an overall good tenure. He needs some help though. We are horrific on the defensive end. It's clear this staff can't coach/scheme on that end of the court. We have no identify and it's usually hard to tell what we are even trying to accomplish on that end. Somehow we need to add some defensive leadership to the coaching staff.

We also have to fix rotations and CSP needs to get past his stubborn tenancies to play upper class men. He needs to learn a little from Matt Campbell and make sure everyone is aware that each position is a competition and the best guys are going to play.

If I'm JP I'm not firing him, but I'd also make it clear his seat is hot and both of those areas need to see improvement.

 

[Statefan10]

Just saying --

"I got all these seniors, we can turn it around!"

= what he might sell Pollard on and/or Pollard and Prohm might sell us on

Buckle up. You are probably going to need to be a pissy little ***** a lot.





I love Tyrese, and one of my favorite things about him now is that he is still going really hard even though plenty of guys would have a foot out the door.

But he should not leave millions on the table and delay the "clock" on his first real NBA deal by a year over Iowa State basketball having one bum year.

I agree that financially it makes sense to take the money but some of these guys aren't in it for the $. I believe Tyrese would most likely leave, and would be surprised if he didn't, BUT I would not say he's 100% ready to leave Iowa State yet and is fully set on leaving this year.

 

[awd4cy]

Why would TH stick around for this **** show if he is projected to be a lottery pick. Get real.

Even if this wasn't a **** show and we were a great team, why would he?

 

[awd4cy]

What I hear, Haliburton absolutely loves college and Iowa State. I'd put him at maybe 90% leaving. I could see him coming back wanting to leave on a solid year instead of a bad one and a flame out in the NCAA tourney his freshman year. Miles Bridges came back and Zion has said he wanted to come back but K and his parents told him no. Some guys are wired differently. Haliburton seems more like those guys and less like say Wiggington who didn't want to go to college at all.

If Haliburton is projected in the top 15, there is no way he comes back. It would be silly to honestly.

 

[CyBobby]

My advice to Tyrese Halliburton..."Hey kid take the money and run all the way to the bank." and btw have a Great NBA career.....

 

[CycloneErik]

If Haliburton is projected in the top 15, there is no way he comes back. It would be silly to honestly.

And if 2021 projects at all to be a better draft, then our guy has to take it while it's there. That opportunity only comes once.

 

[Statefan10]

If Haliburton is projected in the top 15, there is no way he comes back. It would be silly to honestly.

Barring a late change of heart, (Bridges), a projected lottery pick in the 2017 NBA draft, plans to return for his sophomore season, sources told The Vertical.

Despite coach Tom Izzo, family and even Spartans NBA alumni and professional agents encouraging him to leave, Bridges is telling everyone that it’s his intention to bypass the draft, sources told The Vertical.

"I want to finish business here," he said, per Brendan F. Quinn of MLive.com. "I want to stay."

Bleacher Report's NBA draft guru Jonathan Wasserman had Bridges going in the lottery at No. 11 overall to the Portland Trail Blazers in his mock draft on March 10.

Again, I doubt Tyrese makes the decision to stay. But to say there is no way he comes back would not be entirely accurate. It's happened before with high level players who really love their school and situation.

 

[CyCrazy]

Even if this wasn't a **** show and we were a great team, why would he?

Good point.