Well now.....I watched the game and KSU does one thing that most teams dont....Run their quarterback on draws and sweeps a lot of the time esp down near the goal line....
What is our offense
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Hall should have had 30 carries today and Purdy another 10. We should have lined up with 3 TEs and pounded the snot out of them until they actually committed to stopping the run. They sat back all day and dared us to run and we weren’t patient enough to do it.
We got Heacocked today.
We got Heacocked today.
every great offense has an identity. You have to become great at one thing. Not just ok at a bunch of them.
Agree, it’s the nuances and details.
We’re not far off, and we generally have enough talent to brute force things, but play sequence is very average.
Every staff will have their moments though, good and bad.
Play calling wasn't good. Neither was Purdy. Defense tackled poorly. Hall needs to get more carries. That's the game in a nutshell.
Yeah I’m not sitting here with a pitchfork wanting to fire people, but it is an area the staff needs improvement on.
I don't have the answers, but I'm pretty sure we don't want Notre Dame's OC.
I wish it was random. If random, it would at least be unpredictable. But it was not random. Seemed like the plan was to always throw it unless it's 3rd down and 2 or less.
Exactly right! They were rushing 3 most of the game and playing 8 back, like we do to people. You have to commit to running it against that alignment all day long until they get out of it to stop you.
I would have loved to see a lot more 3 TE sets and just run, run, run with Hall.... and with Purdy on some RPO's. Maybe even throw in a few hand offs to WR's going in motion as well to test the edges once in a while. Then, once they start coming up to stop that, then you beat them with some play action to the TE's.... or even some really deep balls to Milton, Scates, or Shaw.
Campbell seems to be a little stubborn when it comes to changing his game plans. We were moving the ball with Hall. No reason to not continue to force the safeties up. Purdy missed a ton of open guys today though. Was just a really pedestrian day for the offense. Especially play calling.
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Moving the ball hasn't been a problem, but scoring has been an issue at times. It seems like Kolar has been the only really consistent player on offense this year, and he is becoming one of the best tight ends in the country.
And there's still people out there that wonder why us life long (40+ years) Cyclone fans are still too afraid to set our expectations too high.
Games like the Iowa, Baylor, and today's game are the reasons why.
I honestly feel like we are still a better team than all of those as far as the talent on the field. But we just cannot get out of our own way, and find way too many ways to lose games we shouldn't IMO. It's the ISU way. We lost the Alamo Bowl on false start penalties for crying out loud. Now that is finding every way possible to lose.
Games like the Iowa, Baylor, and today's game are the reasons why.
I honestly feel like we are still a better team than all of those as far as the talent on the field. But we just cannot get out of our own way, and find way too many ways to lose games we shouldn't IMO. It's the ISU way. We lost the Alamo Bowl on false start penalties for crying out loud. Now that is finding every way possible to lose.
When the game was tied 27-27, we ran a Brock designed run first time all game for 6 yards on 1st down. 2nd and 4 should have immediately gone to Breece Hall.
Instead, we pass the ball back to back on 2nd and 3rd. And you know how it ends.
The one thing your offense CANNOT do in a tie game when your defense has played lights out all second half.
Instead, we pass the ball back to back on 2nd and 3rd. And you know how it ends.
The one thing your offense CANNOT do in a tie game when your defense has played lights out all second half.
I think Brock also completed like a 15 yard forward pass today for a zero yard gain. He was backpedaling, and backpedaling..... as usual..... and then completed a nice 15 yard pass back to the line of scrimmage. I can only imagine Manning on the sideline giving a little fist pump after that great completion..... until finding out it gained us nothing.
Or that little option pitch play that Hall took 70 some yards for a TD @ TTU.The Iowa game was all the evidence. The RBs gained about 8 yards per carry on a counter play and they got SIX carries. We've also not seen that counter run again.
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In my lifetime, I don’t think Iowa State has ever had an identity on offense. Not once. Yet it seems like our coaching staff is so devoted to “establishing an identity” that they are not willing to change things up when it’s not working. Why can’t our identity be being a balanced offense? Because that’s the one thing that has very clearly worked this year and yet we abandon it
I'm having a hard time understanding how week after week we watch ISU go for broke when they just need 3 yards, or all of the sudden shift into some weird formation and jack around with longer developing plays when they've found a rhythm and success by simply putting the ball into playmakers' hands.
Jones, Pettway, Kolar, Akers, Purdy and Hall are all very capable of getting the ball and creating their own space. Why not give them that opportunity?
That last drive should have been the all Breece all the time show until OSU committed the bodies to stop it. The staff tried being smarter by half.
Maybe with Troy Davis. Back then, we were just going to run Troy all game long and everyone in the stadium knew it, and defenses still couldn't stop him.
But we still couldn't win many games though.
