Coach Prohm Gets Extension

[Sigmapolis]

I generally thinking making the tournament as a good seed is enough. Not many programs make the tournament consistently. Before last season getting left out we had one of the top10 (i think) active NCAA tournament streaks in the country, its hard to make it consistently let alone as a seed that will be favored in round one.

I also think if you do that consistently enough, the wins will happen. It's such a small sample size and such small margins that tournament narratives change quickly. Villanova and Jay Wright went from chokers who blew great seeds early to 2 time national champs and nobody questions them in the tournament anymore (even when they get blown out in the second round...). I feel like Kansas has had similar stretches of tournament disappointment a couple years in a row too. I just think its a small sample to say we consistently underperform / all it takes is one game to overperform and suddenly everyone is happy.

I'm all for high expectations, but I also think sometimes we lose sight of just how difficult some of these things are and just how close we have been to having a completely different story and thought about results.

People are still making fun of UVA for losing to UMBC.



The whole meme is pretty fun given I work with a lot of UVA graduates.

People even on this site have argued that Bennett is a "choker" who "can't win in March." He has never taken the Cavaliers past the Elite Eight (when they beat us), yes.

The charge is absurd. They have a ton of talent, program continuity and cohesiveness, and the computers love them, especially their defense, but their offensive ratings are starting to catch up to the point they are no longer a one-trick pony and have balance.

One of these years -- maybe this one -- they're going to at least a Final Four, if not winning a national championship, and everybody will shut up about both of those things.

The tournament is so random. Stuff just kind of happens. Nick hits his shot with 0:05 on the clock and we win in overtime and the narrative is completely different. One or two possessions can change everything about a season. Punching your ticket with a reasonable seed is the key thing. Prohm has the program at that level. Everything after that is, unfortunately, kind of random. But any coach who brings home Big 12 tournament titles is okay by me.

 

[CloneGuy8]

Just listening to yesterday’s Miller and Condon podcast...Rob dauster FAIL

What did he say?

 

[madguy30]

People are still making fun of UVA for losing to UMBC.



The whole meme is pretty fun given I work with a lot of UVA graduates.

People even on this site has argued that Bennett is a "choker" who "can't win in March." He has never taken the Cavaliers past the Elite Eight (when they beat us), yes.

The charge is still absurd. They have a ton of talent, program continuity and cohesiveness, and the computers love them, especially their defense, but their offensive ratings are starting to catch up to the point they are no longer a one-trick pony and have balance.

One of these years -- maybe this one -- they're going to at least a Final Four, if not winning a national championship, and everybody will shut up about both of those things.

The tournament is so random. Stuff just kind of happens. Nick hits his shot with 0:05 on the clock and we win in overtime and the narrative is completely different. One or two possessions can change everything about a season. Punching your ticket with a reasonable seed is the key thing. Prohm has the program at that level. Everything after that is, unfortunately, kind of random. But any coach who brings home Big 12 tournament titles is okay by me.

Haven't watched much of UVA but noticed some time this year they seemed more prone to score early when the opportunity came like shooting earlier in the shot clock if the shot was there or even running a bit more.

Agreed on the last paragraph. ISU didn't look good vs. KSU in the Big 12 tourney but some shots fell and they missed some straight up wide open 3s. And KU simply wasn't very good.

Still a self-inflicted loss in various aspects but it's not like Duke has just been cruising right along with, what, the first two picks or at least close?

 

[Cyclone06]

Coach Prohm has a nice resume at ISU, but I agree with some that too much weight is put on the Big 12 tourney wins. They are great in the moment, not so great historically. Swap the 2 big 12 tourneys for another 1 or 2 s16s and we'd be talking a top 3 coach in the league. As it is we are talking a 5-8 coach?

Note: this is not hate, this is criticism. I think coach is a great dude and has the potential to take the program higher.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Haven't watched much of UVA but noticed some time this year they seemed more prone to score early when the opportunity came like shooting earlier in the shot clock if the shot was there or even running a bit more.

Agreed on the last paragraph. ISU didn't look good vs. KSU in the Big 12 tourney but some shots fell and they missed some straight up wide open 3s. And KU simply wasn't very good.

Still a self-inflicted loss in various aspects but it's not like Duke has just been cruising right along with, what, the first two picks or at least close?

Duke has probably the best NBA prospect since... Anthony Davis? Kyrie Irving? Guys who are super-max, franchise cornerstone sorts of players in the NBA nowadays?

Barrett and Reddish could go #2 and #3 or, at least, both in the Top Ten. They are coached by an absolute legend, and the refs are always seeing the name on the jersey.

And as you said -- they were this dang close to losing to UCF. U C freakin' F.

The Golden Knights almost had them.

Stuff happens in the tournament. I am less concerned that we have not "broken out" since 2011 and more concerned that we are 7/8 on making it and having a chance.

Back to UVA for a second...

Barttorvik has them #1 in the country overall -- #3 on offense and #7 on defense.



Yes, the computers (or at least this one) think that UVA has a better offense than defense, at least in the relative sense. #1 and #2 are Michigan and Texas Tech, who are about to play each other. That should be an interesting grinder of a defensive game.

They have always been elite defensively, but they have started to catch up with themselves on offense. Seems that Tony Bennett is evolving and changing the program.



Notice the offensive ranking is climbing while the defensive one is steady.

Good coaches do not just sit back. They learn, change, and adapt, as well. We will see if Prohm can become a better game day coach and somewhat better at handling egos and locker room tensions. He brings in the ponies you need to win. There are tons of coaches out there who never even make it that far. We will see if he learns to harness them.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

All of that with really unprecedented talent. Monte, George, Matt, Deonte, Naz, Shayok-- I think you could make the claim they are all Top 50 players in program history, with Shayok being tougher having only been here one year. Wigginton, Haliburton and THT could wind up in that same conversation. I think the results given this talent have been somewhat ho-hum.

The Sweet 16 came after wins over Iona and Arkansas Pine Bluff, and we then got completely spanked by UVA. The Big 12 tournaments are great and all, but I think are proving to be a bit of "fools gold". It's clear we value that more than others.

So again, it's not like I'm totally dismissive of his accomplishments. There are things he has done really well and he certainly doesn't deserve to be fired. But me a contract that expired in 2022 is just about right in my mind. 3 years left, with the next few years telling quite a bit about his ability as a coach. Why he needed 3 more years tacked on to that is what I don't get.

I hate this argument, so we should stop trying to care about doing well In the big 12 tournament? Are you telling me every big 12 team goes to KC and doesn’t care about winning it except ISU?

I hope this is the case then and ISU wins every tournament championship for the foreseeable future. I want our trophy case to be overflowing with championship trophies.

Every team wants to win the big 12 tournament and every fan wants to win it too. I talked to Tech fans that were pissed they lost to WVU because they thought they were going to be the first non big 8 school to win the tournament this year. I heard WVU fans that were spitting venom at Iowa State when they lost to Monte’s team, because they wanted to win the championship.

This is a bad take and just sounds like Hok fans with their Super Bowl ********.

 

[ISUCubswin]

If we get in a tournament where Prohm faces nothing better than an 11 seed, we should get to the final 4.

 

[madguy30]

Good coaches do not just sit back. They learn, change, and adapt, as well. We will see if Prohm can become a better game day coach and somewhat better at handling egos and locker room tensions. He brings in the ponies you need to win. There are tons of coaches out there who never even make it that far. We will see if he learns to harness them.

Heck Coach K was one who had to adapt to the one and done and I think even the transfer thing. Obviously easier still at that kind of program but still had to happen.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Yeah you're right, Prohm is nice to the media so he is untouchable. Thinking that he is an inferior x's and o's guy is a terrible opinion. Now what, am I an idiot or should i give up my season tickets?

Please do. It will save you from yelling dumb **** at the team again

 

[Cat Stevens]

All of that with really unprecedented talent. Monte, George, Matt, Deonte, Naz, Shayok-- I think you could make the claim they are all Top 50 players in program history, with Shayok being tougher having only been here one year. Wigginton, Haliburton and THT could wind up in that same conversation. I think the results given this talent have been somewhat ho-hum.

The Sweet 16 came after wins over Iona and Arkansas Pine Bluff, and we then got completely spanked by UVA. The Big 12 tournaments are great and all, but I think are proving to be a bit of "fools gold". It's clear we value that more than others.

So again, it's not like I'm totally dismissive of his accomplishments. There are things he has done really well and he certainly doesn't deserve to be fired. But me a contract that expired in 2022 is just about right in my mind. 3 years left, with the next few years telling quite a bit about his ability as a coach. Why he needed 3 more years tacked on to that is what I don't get.

What a fake post. You spend two full paragraphs strawmanning, and saying how bad he is. And how he hasn’t really accomplished anything. So yes you are dismissive of his accomplishments.

At least approach intellectual honesty about your intention with your half truths.

 

[Rural]

All of that with really unprecedented talent. Monte, George, Matt, Deonte, Naz, Shayok-- I think you could make the claim they are all Top 50 players in program history, with Shayok being tougher having only been here one year. Wigginton, Haliburton and THT could wind up in that same conversation. I think the results given this talent have been somewhat ho-hum.

The Sweet 16 came after wins over Iona and Arkansas Pine Bluff, and we then got completely spanked by UVA. The Big 12 tournaments are great and all, but I think are proving to be a bit of "fools gold". It's clear we value that more than others.

So again, it's not like I'm totally dismissive of his accomplishments. There are things he has done really well and he certainly doesn't deserve to be fired. But me a contract that expired in 2022 is just about right in my mind. 3 years left, with the next few years telling quite a bit about his ability as a coach. Why he needed 3 more years tacked on to that is what I don't get.

I'd hate to see the totally dismissive take.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I'd hate to see the totally dismissive take.

That post was what Naz was referring to in the locker room after the Kansas game.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Iowa State led the Big 12 in scoring offense this season and its offensive and defensive efficiency ratings were among the nation's best much of this season.

https://cyclones.com/news/2019/3/26...-agrees-to-three-year-contract-extension.aspx

He's been a head coach for 8 years and has 7 20+ win seasons. Wasn't too long ago that the 20-win pinnacle was the mark of excellence.

 

[SpokaneCY]

We are no where close to the Greg McDermott years. To remind you of what those were like. We had 1 top 25 win in 4 years...1 and it was I believe the last regular season game of his tenure. He was a joke.

McD has proven himself a good coach based on his overall body of work. Just didn't fit at ISU. Also looks like he's adapted to his big east ties now as well.

 

[SpokaneCY]

This is an example of rambling nonsense. But I’m the idiot right?

No and yes imho.

 

[SpokaneCY]

2 big 12 tourney titles
NCAA tournament 3of 4 years
1 sweet 16

Yeah not very good (heavy sarcasm)

I posted this somewhere else, but he's been a head coach for 8 years and has 7 years of 20+ wins. I wish I could fail that well!

He's a good coach and an even better man. He fits in JP's vision of ISU athletics and I couldn't be happier or more proud he, CMC, KD are coaching our student athletes to be the best they can most importantly outside of their sport. Oh - and we're winning too!

 

[SpokaneCY]

All of that with really unprecedented talent. Monte, George, Matt, Deonte, Naz, Shayok-- I think you could make the claim they are all Top 50 players in program history, with Shayok being tougher having only been here one year. Wigginton, Haliburton and THT could wind up in that same conversation. I think the results given this talent have been somewhat ho-hum.

The Sweet 16 came after wins over Iona and Arkansas Pine Bluff, and we then got completely spanked by UVA. The Big 12 tournaments are great and all, but I think are proving to be a bit of "fools gold". It's clear we value that more than others.

So again, it's not like I'm totally dismissive of his accomplishments. There are things he has done really well and he certainly doesn't deserve to be fired. But me a contract that expired in 2022 is just about right in my mind. 3 years left, with the next few years telling quite a bit about his ability as a coach. Why he needed 3 more years tacked on to that is what I don't get.

Because top players want to think their head coach is gonna, you know, like BE there?

 

[EvilBetty]

Woo we got the Paul Rhoads of the hard wood till 2025. Lowering expectation meter drastically.

New settings calibrated at 5th place in the conference, first round NCAA tourney loss, with 60% likelihood of bubble team.

Hilton attendance down roughly 3% APY

Frustration of inbounds plays, offensive execution, and off court drama up roughly 10% APY.

Going to be a great half decade guys.

is that Johnny Orr as your avatar? Johnny Orr that had a 40.3% conference win%(ISU) (Prohm @.48.6%)? the same Johnny Orr that coached a team to the sweet 16 once in 14 years (Prohm once in 4 years)? the same Johnny Orr that got the clones into the NCAA tourney 6 times in 14 season (Prohm 3/4)?

Iowa state isn't Duke. Iowa State isn't' Kentucky. Prohm is a good coach. So was Johnny. Perspective.

 

[cyatheart]

Duke has probably the best NBA prospect since... Anthony Davis? Kyrie Irving? Guys who are super-max, franchise cornerstone sorts of players in the NBA nowadays?

Barrett and Reddish could go #2 and #3 or, at least, both in the Top Ten. They are coached by an absolute legend, and the refs are always seeing the name on the jersey.

And as you said -- they were this dang close to losing to UCF. U C freakin' F.

The Golden Knights almost had them.

Stuff happens in the tournament. I am less concerned that we have not "broken out" since 2011 and more concerned that we are 7/8 on making it and having a chance.

Back to UVA for a second...

Barttorvik has them #1 in the country overall -- #3 on offense and #7 on defense.

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Yes, the computers (or at least this one) think that UVA has a better offense than defense, at least in the relative sense. #1 and #2 are Michigan and Texas Tech, who are about to play each other. That should be an interesting grinder of a defensive game.

They have always been elite defensively, but they have started to catch up with themselves on offense. Seems that Tony Bennett is evolving and changing the program.

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Notice the offensive ranking is climbing while the defensive one is steady.

Good coaches do not just sit back. They learn, change, and adapt, as well. We will see if Prohm can become a better game day coach and somewhat better at handling egos and locker room tensions. He brings in the ponies you need to win. There are tons of coaches out there who never even make it that far. We will see if he learns to harness them.

This is right on. Step 1 is getting the players. He has to continue to do that. Scott Drew was a bad coach, much better now. Prohm has some clear deficiencies and some clear strenghts, and is going up against some brilliant basketball coaches in this league. I think we can all agree to that. He isn’t naturally blessed with a genius basketball mind. He is young though, and if he is honest and self critical, he should get better. I think he will, hard to watch at times now, but there is no reason he can’t manage guys better, utilize talent better, force his style of play on on opponent, and get better on game day. It’s like anything else, with more experience he should get better.

He is really quite inexperienced vs most of our league, and it shows a lot, but he should get better in time. For now he has to keep the talent coming until that happens.

 

[ZZZ]

I guess I struggle to see what he's done to warrant an extension. By no means am I suggesting he should be fired, or even on the hot seat, but an extension based on his body of work is not justified in my opinion.

I think extensions like this show Pollard is committed to Steve, looks good for recruiting purposes, and I would assume will give Prohm a pay raise to higher than 9th in the conference in annual salary.