15 games left (long)

[CyCloned]

At this point, we know nothing about how this team will respond in the future games. If Lard gets back and LW gets out of his shooting funk, this team will have a rim protector and a scorer. I liked what I saw from Conditt in limited time. Guess I am just not ready to give up on this being a great season just yet. Too many new pieces to this team to know how they will respond.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I'm not convinced Prohm will make the necessary adjustments game to game. And still don't think roles are solidified for this team. We lose 3 of the next 4 and the pressure will really start to mount. I'm pessimistic right now there is not enough time for this team to get it turned around to make this a good season. We'll see...

Do you think Greg Popovich is a good coach?

 

[CascadeClone]

Prohm's teams have typically had an inexplicable loss at some point early in the season, then started to figure it out and gel and improve. That's the ONLY thing right now giving me any hope for the rest of this year, historically they sort it out. But usually it is a lot earlier in the season.

With Solo done, Lard hurt, Wigg rusty... IDK. Very worried CSP will not figure out a rotation and this team may never find any identity at all. 15 games left yes, but still running out of time.

 

[Stewo]

I think we'll lose every game the rest of the season until proven otherwise. We played out of our minds for our Super Bowl against KU, but have pretty much been trash against anyone else with a pulse all season to this point. I have no idea what the hell is wrong with this team, but it's not "fun" watching them play basketball most nights. What frustrates me the most is the fact that we have a ton of talent on the roster. I don't know what it is, but something is clearly off. The "it" factor doesn't seem to be there.

 

[Thomasrickj]

This team is still very capable of competing for conference title, but it's obvious there's work to be done. I don't care if Kansas was our best game and our Super Bowl; you beat them down by 17 then you're a really good team that can take the conference if all of the pieces are working. Pull off this win against the Red Raiders in Lubbock and we are right back in the conversation of conference champ. If we lose to them, I don't think we win the conference, but beat them and don't have a hangover the next game (or two in the case of this past week) and we can take it. It's not time to think we are going to lose every other game in conference yet as this team is good, just has a lot of things to work on to get to their full potential.

 

[CycloneErik]

Do you think Greg Popovich is a good coach?

Sure. I think Bill Fitch was good back in the day, too.
Neither is relevant to discussing our coaching situation.

 

[madguy30]

Prohm's teams have typically had an inexplicable loss at some point early in the season, then started to figure it out and gel and improve. That's the ONLY thing right now giving me any hope for the rest of this year, historically they sort it out. But usually it is a lot earlier in the season.

With Solo done, Lard hurt, Wigg rusty... IDK. Very worried CSP will not figure out a rotation and this team may never find any identity at all. 15 games left yes, but still running out of time.

The 2016-17 team really didn't have it together until February iirc, but yeah otherwise something's got to give and it's been a trend for things not to be taken care of proactively.

If the general make up of the situation looks the same vs. Tech, that's a bad sign.

 

[Halincandenza]

This team needs Wigginton to get it going and for Lard to come back and get going as well if they are going to reach their ceiling as a team. Hopefully that happens.

 

[madguy30]

I think we'll lose every game the rest of the season until proven otherwise. We played out of our minds for our Super Bowl against KU, but have pretty much been trash against anyone else with a pulse all season to this point. I have no idea what the hell is wrong with this team, but it's not "fun" watching them play basketball most nights. What frustrates me the most is the fact that we have a ton of talent on the roster. I don't know what it is, but something is clearly off. The "it" factor doesn't seem to be there.

Really?

 

[Cat Stevens]

Sure. I think Bill Fitch was good back in the day, too.
Neither is relevant to discussing our coaching situation.

But all coaches are fallible. That’s the point. Pops had 4 teams get back door swept with 3 first ballot hall of famers on the roster. He has 5 rings should have at least two more, maybe as many as 5. He had Tim Duncan on the bench at the end of game 6 in 2013 when they needed a rebound.

I don’t know what’s going to happen. If it falls apart, then the conversation will have to be had about what to do going forward. I do know that there is a still a lot of basketball to be played. I would like to see how it ends before cliff diving.

 

[Stewo]

Really?

What do you think?

 

[Cat Stevens]

What do you think?

I think you’re being sarcastic. If not, I’ll pray for you.

 

[madguy30]

What do you think?

I don't think ISU will lose the rest of their games.

 

[HardcoreClone]

This team needs Wigginton to get it going and for Lard to come back and get going as well if they are going to reach their ceiling as a team. Hopefully that happens.

It's hard for Lindell, or NWB, or Shayok, or THT to get anything going when they are trying to execute a poor offensive system against good defensive teams.

Not until the 2nd half did Prohm finally start having the guys pick up the tempo (a little), play early offense, and get going downhill. The previous 1.5 games, for whatever reason, we were content with walking the ball up the court and playing a standstill, ball-screen offense. That's exactly what Baylor and KSU want us to do!

The only way I see the players and offense get going is if we face teams who are willing to get up and down with us. Because I don't think Prohm has the adjustments of his offensive system to counter the way we were being defended.

 

[rochclone]

But all coaches are fallible. That’s the point. Pops had 4 teams get back door swept with 3 first ballot hall of famers on the roster. He has 5 rings should have at least two more, maybe as many as 5. He had Tim Duncan on the bench at the end of game 6 in 2013 when they needed a rebound.

I don’t know what’s going to happen. If it falls apart, then the conversation will have to be had about what to do going forward. I do know that there is a still a lot of basketball to be played. I would like to see how it ends before cliff diving.

Fair point. I think CSP's record in close games (13-21) while at Iowa State is a significant concern. He was 4-8 in those type of games with #31 as his closer. There is only one other Big 12 coach with a record below .500 in close games and that is Shaka Smart at 22-24.

When people complain about Prohm late game strategy and inefficiency compared to Hoiberg and others there is actual data to support it.

Its frustrating when Final FourClone and others put their collective heads in the sand when it comes to these issues.

Close game defined as a game decided in OT or by 5 points or less.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Fair point. I think CSP's record in close games (13-21) while at Iowa State is a significant concern. He was 4-8 in those type of games with #31 as his closer. There is only one other Big 12 coach with a record below .500 in close games and that is Shaka Smart at 22-24.

When people complain about Prohm late game strategy and inefficiency compared to Hoiberg and others there is actual data to support it.

Its frustrating when Final FourClone and others put their collective heads in the sand when it comes to these issues.

Close game defined as a game decided in OT or by 5 points or less.

Do you ever wash that Hoiberg jersey you’re wearing? If you weren’t so sensitive and busy protecting Fred from attacks that don’t exist, you’d be able to realize I agree with this.

Fred was something like 2-9 in games decided by 6 points or less (or OT) his first season. Once he got out of the hole of McD, his tactical acumen won us a lot of games.

This isn’t the same as saying the defense under Hoiberg didn’t facilitate reaching the next level of success.

 

[quasistellar]

It's hard for Lindell, or NWB, or Shayok, or THT to get anything going when they are trying to execute a poor offensive system against good defensive teams.

Not until the 2nd half did Prohm finally start having the guys pick up the tempo (a little), play early offense, and get going downhill. The previous 1.5 games, for whatever reason, we were content with walking the ball up the court and playing a standstill, ball-screen offense. That's exactly what Baylor and KSU want us to do!

The only way I see the players and offense get going is if we face teams who are willing to get up and down with us. Because I don't think Prohm has the adjustments of his offensive system to counter the way we were being defended.

Regarding tempo, I wonder if the EXTREME lack of depth for Prohm's first few seasons has him playing these guys too conservatively. Plus you have to admit we've been snakebit with injuries for years now it seems.

 

[Knownothing]

I will say this. I am really down on this team but was also really down on the football team after starting 1-3. So we are kind of a stupid fan base. Maybe we should have learned our lesson in football season.

 

[quasistellar]

I will say this. I am really down on this team but was also really down on the football team after starting 1-3. So we are kind of a stupid fan base. Maybe we should have learned our lesson in football season.

Come on, now. There was no way to really know that Purdy would be as good as he was. If he didn't have legs (see: Zeb) we would have had a terrible season. Our o-line was horrific.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Fair point. I think CSP's record in close games (13-21) while at Iowa State is a significant concern. He was 4-8 in those type of games with #31 as his closer. There is only one other Big 12 coach with a record below .500 in close games and that is Shaka Smart at 22-24.

When people complain about Prohm late game strategy and inefficiency compared to Hoiberg and others there is actual data to support it.

Its frustrating when Final FourClone and others put their collective heads in the sand when it comes to these issues.

Close game defined as a game decided in OT or by 5 points or less.

When you are playing good teams, a play or two makes all the difference.

It’s been tough. No doubt.

And I know everyone lauds Fred, but context is important there too. Naz’s shots against okie state have been been mentioned, but there’s also Scotty C’s banked in 3 against okie state, Royce’s travel not called on a clear out against k state, monte against ut, the ou guy missing a point blank layup are just off the top of my head.

It’s a very fine line. This team is putting itself in position to win. Have to make plays. They got good looks at the end of the game. Didn’t make them.