On That Note: Paisley Underground (part 3)

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Welcome back to “On That Note,” MeanDean/cyclones500 weekly music series. This time, for “It’s My Vault,” is 3rd of 4 explorations of The Paisley Underground.

GREEN ON RED

Of the groups I’ve profiled so far in P-Underground series, Green on Red, in some variation, had the longest continuous run. What’s most fascinating — and occasionally exasperating or “challenging” — is how the band’s approach evolved. It made a transition from neo-psychedelia to Americana to an early precursor to alt-country, then settled into — well, something. GOR has elements I admire and a few I find derivative, but for a while in the mid-80s, it was among my favorites.

Background: Formed as The Serfers in 1979, Tucson, Ariz., changed name to Green on Red and relocated to L.A. around ’81. Basic unit from mid- to late-80s: Dan Stuart (vocals, guitar), Chuck Prophet (lead guitar, vocals), Chris Cacavas (keyboards, vocals), Jack Waterson (bass), Alex MacNicol (drums). As with most groups in this sub-genre, a true breakthrough didn’t come, although they climbed the record-label ladder for the rest of the decade. Apex for exposure may have been performing at Farm Aid ’86.

As you listen to the samples, presented in chronological order, you may spot influences or think of similar underexposed music from the period. And, it’s likely to change as we go. If so, chime in and post samples. Remember, OTN is a 2-way street.

OK, let’s go!

PART A: “First Wave”

“Gravity Talks” (1983, Slash)
Band's first LP. Worth a listen as a full work, if you can get your hands on it.






Favorite lyric: “My mind is disconnected/would you put it back, please?”


Here's a “VU example" in GOR's catalog, for lack of better description:



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“Gas Food Lodging” (1985, Enigma)

Probably the band’s most essential long-player. A game-changer came here, not only in musical approach, but instrumental dynamic: Chuck Prophet joined as lead guitarist and additional backing vocalist. With that addition, GOR moved from “punkadelica” to Americana.

Juxtaposed with the closing track on Gravity Talks, “Narcolepsy,” the opener of “GFL," "That's What Dreams," seems to come out of left field.





Notable line: “It takes money to make money they say/Ain’t it funny how love doesn’t work that way?”
 
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Opening riff on the first cut I thought at first "REM-ish"

Second track really wanted to figure out, 'who does this remind me of?"

I think the answer is: Love {with Arthur Lee}
 
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Part B: Second wave

“No Free Lunch” (EP) (1985, Enigma)

This EP could be described as Almost Country --- or Populist Post-Folk-Punk? Labeling becomes difficult from this point.





Prophet’s guitar work on this track never gets old for me:
Notable line: Gandhi’s just a dreamer/And Lennon (Lenin?), he’s a fool/Cuz ya gotta kill to eat/In this lovely world





 
At least once for sure. I saw them play at M-Shop in September-ish '85. ... Not sure if that was GOR's only appearance.
I was thinking mid 80s. A lot of great bands performed at The M Shop during that time.
 
I was thinking mid 80s. A lot of great bands performed at The M Shop during that time.

Yes, definitely. That might have been one of the first non-local bands I saw there. A few of my friends saw The Replacements there sometime in '84, but I wasn't yet a close part of their "circle" so I missed it. It was just before I started really getting into indie/alt stuff, so I probably was oblivious about the 'Mats at that point anyway.
 
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I was thinking mid 80s. A lot of great bands performed at The M Shop during that time.

Just found a gold nugget on the ISU Student Union Board site ... PDF of history of performers. ... attempted to attach it to this post, isn't working for me. Here's the link History of the Venue, to the right is a PDF link "M-Shop Show Timeline."

I was fairly accurate on the Green on Red guess 9/19/85 ... Replacements was April 85, not 84, apparently
 
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Opening riff on the first cut I thought at first "REM-ish"

Second track really wanted to figure out, 'who does this remind me of?"

I think the answer is: Love {with Arthur Lee}

Good observations. I probably take for granted how it resembles REM, another huge favorite of mine from about 84-early 90s. My interest slowly faded, less because of REM's music, but transition into other areas in my tastes.

You inspired me to check more into Love, I'm familiar with only bits and pieces.
 
Love had 3 albums with the original line-up.
I prefer the first eponymous LP. Very similar to an early Byrds sound, which is right in my wheelhouse. Contained their biggest hit, Burt Bacharach's My Little Red Book done in a very garagy, non-trad-Bacharach way.
The second one seems to be no one's favorite, DaCapo. Although 7 And 7 is did get some regional chart action.
The third is the one the critics love. Forever Changes.
 
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Love had 3 albums with the original line-up.
I prefer the first eponymous LP. Very similar to an early Byrds sound, which is right in my wheelhouse. Contained their biggest hit, Burt Bacharach's My Little Red Book done in a very garagy, non-trad-Bacharach way.
The second one seems to be no one's favorite, DaCapo. Although 7 And 7 is did get some regional chart action.
The third is the one the critics love. Forever Changes.

Thanks for roundup. I'll definitely heed your advice and sample some of that.
 
Here's the final segment, I didn't get time to finish it Wednesday.

PART C: “Third Wave”

From this point, Green on Red became largely a Stuart/Prophet enterprise. On the high-end, it’s more consistent and polished, but overall, less intriguing. Far fewer samples in this segment.

“Here Come the Snakes” (1988, Mercury)




"This Time Around"
(1989, Mercury)




“Scapegoats” (1991, China)

This isn't an official video/visual, it's a listener-created montage ... I don't think it fits the song, personaly, feel free to just listen.





“Too Much Fun” (1992, Off Beat)

ANOTHER Prophet showcase.
 
Checking into some Love catalog.

DaCapo has an 18-minute song "Revelation" — I'm exploring that one now. That's longer than Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida. So far, Revelation sounds more worthy of spending 17-plus minutes compared to IGDV (I know, it's rock blasphemy to say that! ) Was that a big reason the album didn't go over well?
 
Checking into some Love catalog.

DaCapo has an 18-minute song "Revelation" — I'm exploring that one now. That's longer than Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida. So far, Revelation sounds more worthy of spending 17-plus minutes compared to IGDV (I know, it's rock blasphemy to say that! ) Was that a big reason the album didn't go over well?

Exactly! Number 9, Number 9, Number 9...
 
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