***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

[CYCLNST8]

why do we think 12 teams means an 8 game conference schedule? what policy is there that it can't be kept at nine?

There isn't one, but I'd sure as hell hope we'd get the opportunity. The round robin has done nothing to help our bowl chances.

Also- with an extra game of scheduling freedom, perhaps we could see a return to some rivalry games that have been on hiatus:

Texas - A&M
WVU - Pitt
KU - Mizzou
OU - Nebraska

 

[surly]

This looks like a strong, two division league to me.

ISU, K-State, OU, oSu, WVU, Ku
UT, Tech, BU, TCU, BYU, UH

Now, whether the additions have 8 votes without a GOR extension is the question. I'm relatively confident that with it, this would be the resulting league and format.

 

[Judoka]

Apparently Bowlsby & all ten conference presidents feel differently than you do.

Houston is definitely a "strike while the iron is hot" program right now. I totally agree that they're playing a dangerous game of high stakes poker, but if they can come close to replicating last season- how do you say no to that? That level of success is certainly sustainable with P5 status in the the city of Houston. This conference needs competitive football. Adding another school to beat our brains in hardly changes our current situation anyways.

In fact, you should be on your knees begging for an excuse to go back to four non-conference games. Maybe Jamie will get his **** together and find some decent cupcakes so that we're not going into conference play with our tail between our legs every season.

Folks upset about adding commuter schools should get on the "add Colorado State and go to 14 teams" bandwagon. They check every box other than consistently powerful football program.

You say no pretty easily if you consider the long term impact to ISU in both adding another conference school in Texas and adding another competitor for a landing spot if/when the Big XII breaks up.

Unless adding Houston comes with a hefty GoR extension then it would be foolish for Leath/Pollard to support adding them to the Big XII right now.

 

[Bryce7]

You say no pretty easily if you consider the long term impact to ISU in both adding another conference school in Texas and adding another competitor for a landing spot if/when the Big XII breaks up.

Unless adding Houston comes with a hefty GoR extension then it would be foolish for Leath/Pollard to support adding themOU to the Big XII right now.

See you in the mac in 2025. UT and ou will never extend the gor.

 

[MeowingCows]

You say no pretty easily if you consider the long term impact to ISU in both adding another conference school in Texas and adding another competitor for a landing spot if/when the Big XII breaks up.

Unless adding Houston comes with a hefty GoR extension then it would be foolish for Leath/Pollard to support adding them to the Big XII right now.

You mean the long-term impact of being in a P5 conference versus not being in one in about 10 years?

I'll take the one that allows the P5 conference to survive. It's pretty simple. Adding in more teams (particularly successful ones, like Houston is proving to be) increases pressure on keeping the conference alive.

 

[mdk2isu]

There isn't one, but I'd sure as hell hope we'd get the opportunity. The round robin has done nothing to help our bowl chances.

Also- with an extra game of scheduling freedom, perhaps we could see a return to some rivalry games that have been on hiatus:

Texas - A&M
WVU - Pitt
KU - Mizzou
OU - Nebraska

The two I bolded will probably never happen again in the regular season. Texas and KU are too upset at A&M and Mizzou for bolting and will hold a grudge for a long time about it.

 

[Judoka]

See you in the mac in 2025. UT and ou will never extend the gor.

And if the Big XII dissolves in the mid 2020s do you want another TCU to be competing against for a landing spot? Especially since right now if all the other four big conferences go to 16 only 1-2 teams will be left out. Any team that the Big XII adds will be another team left out if things go south. I like our chances against K-State, I don't like our chances against a Houston that has been in a P5 conference for a decade.

 

[CYCLNST8]

And if the Big XII dissolves in the mid 2020s do you want another TCU to be competing against for a landing spot? Especially since right now if all the other four big conferences go to 16 only 1-2 teams will be left out. Any team that the Big XII adds will be another team left out if things go south. I like our chances against K-State, I don't like our chances against a Houston that has been in a P5 conference for a decade.

I don't like our chances EVER. Rather than dwell on worst case scenarios, I'd rather our conference fought to be a premier league in ten years so that networks are forced to pony up. **** super conferences. Expand the playoff.

My hope is that over the next few seasons we can extend our media footprint a bit and get a few teams into the championship along the way.

Here's another reason to push for fourteen schools with a four game non-conference slate: more bowl teams = more revenue.

Even if Oklahoma takes the Cowboys with them to the SEC in ten years, do you think the newly added members who fought so hard for inclusion are going to allow the conference to dissolve around them without a fight? Hell no. Strength in numbers. Even a watered-down Big 12 is better than the AAC, C-USA, Mountain West, or MAC.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Land grant ag school in traditional Big 8 territory with a strong academic reputation and growing alumni base. Many Big 12 alumni live in Colorado, so if they can't fill that brand new stadium, I'm sure plenty visiting fans would love to.

Even as an Iowa State fan, I couldn't care less about the bolded.

 

[Stormin]

See you in the mac in 2025. UT and ou will never extend the gor.

Disagree. It is in the best interest of both to expand. GOR will coincide with Longhorn Network.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Even as an Iowa State fan, I couldn't care less about the bolded.

Awe... I has a sad.

Guess who does care a lot about the bolded: conference presidents. Don't believe me? Why do you think they went with West Virginia over Louisville?

 

[Judoka]

If they extend the GOR I don't give a crap if they add the whole AAC.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Awe... I has a sad.

Guess who does care a lot about the bolded: conference presidents.

40% of the conference is land grant. That's equal to the amount of the conference that is in Texas. And there is no overlap. So, land grant will not be a top consideration (I hope and expect). It doesn't matter.

 

[HoopsTournament]

See you in the mac in 2025. UT and ou will never extend the gor.

Wow. Another stupid MAC comment.

1. ISU will never EVER be in the MAC. Stop with stupid comments like that.
2. ISU and many others will never vote for expansion without a GOR extension. It just won't happen.
3. UT and OU are more likely to extend the GOR than you think. If there is enough money for an incentive, then they will.

 

[colbycheese]

40% of the conference is land grant. That's equal to the amount of the conference that is in Texas. And there is no overlap. So, land grant will not be a top consideration (I hope and expect). It doesn't matter.

It does matter, especially for presidents of land grant universities that will actually cast votes on whether or not to expand. I could care less if we expand or not, but if we do, I'd rather one of the teams be a land grant if possible.

 

[KnappShack]

Awe... I has a sad.

Guess who does care a lot about the bolded: conference presidents. Don't believe me? Why do you think they went with West Virginia over Louisville?

Hell let's grab Utah State and call it a day

 

[CYCLNST8]

Hell let's grab Utah State and call it a day

 

[cyIclSoneU]

why do we think 12 teams means an 8 game conference schedule? what policy is there that it can't be kept at nine?

I hope it does go back to 8 with two Power 5 opponents in the non-con, like the ACC does now.

It would be nice to free up Big 12 schools to do annual non-con P5 rivalries and then have flexibility on another non-con opponent, for more variety.

The future Big 12 could have some pretty fun annual non-con rivalry games:

*Iowa State-Iowa
*Kansas-Missouri
*Oklahoma-Nebraska
*Texas-Texas A&M
*West Virginia-Pitt

And then the teams could schedule as they wish for the other game. The OUs and UTs of the world would aim for a big name to bolster playoff resume while the KUs and ISUs would match up with each other (i.e. Wake Forest and Washington State) in the hunt for 6 wins. Everyone wins.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

This looks like a strong, two division league to me.

ISU, K-State, OU, oSu, WVU, Ku
UT, Tech, BU, TCU, BYU, UH

Now, whether the additions have 8 votes without a GOR extension is the question. I'm relatively confident that with it, this would be the resulting league and format.

I doubt that five Texas schools in one division would happen. Swap the OK schools with a couple of the TX ones and we have a deal.

 

[isucy86]

why do we think 12 teams means an 8 game conference schedule? what policy is there that it can't be kept at nine?

Those people pushing for 8 conference games aren't realistic. With the Big 10 moving to 9 conference games, its only a matter of time before the ACC & SEC move to nine conference games. The ACC will do so to support the ACC Network. The SEC may be pushed into it by the Big12, Big10 and Pac12.

Just like the Big12 was pushed into adding a CCG, all conferences will need to play 9 conference games to create a level playoff field to be eligible for the 4 team playoff.