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***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

Big 10 will never take ISU..we should be there now..they just won't..They will take Temple before ISU. BIG under Delaney only cares about $$. See Rutgers..PAC while not the best outcome at least keeps us relevant..No way PAC takes TT..they are even more strict about academics than the BIG..not a single PAC President would vote for TT..academics are horrendous. TCU I could see returning to G5 if SEC doesn't take them..they seemed to do just fine before. Although a money loss for sure.

The BIG would take KU but what a joke..All we've heard is its all about football and TV sets...lol..there is no worse football program right now in P5..If it's about bball then why doesn't the BIG take UConn right now? Far larger market and as good bball program if not better.
 
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aeroclone said:
I've been thinking this myself. If the B12 does collapse and the 4 super conferences form, I feel like the Pac would be out worst case scenario. UT and OU will have better options. BYU, TCU, and Baylor aren't getting in for religious reasons. TTU, KSU, and OSU probably don't make the cut for academics. Nobody is leaving the SEC or B1G for the PAC. ACC makes no sense geographically.

I just don't see 4 schools ahead of us for the PAC expanding to 16.
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I hate to be the nervous Nellie, but just because PAC12 didn't take religiously affiliated schools last go around, doesn't mean the situation wouldn't be different the next go around. The Big12 indicated at one point they wouldn't expand unless state universities like WVU were available, and today none of the mentioned candidates meet that criteria.
 
We averaged 644k viewers last year. Iowa averaged 2.1 million.

We are below Ohio, Northern Illinois, San Diego state, and wake forest. We are above Ku, Cincy, and Houston.
 
A lot of rampant speculation & very little concrete information, folks. Thank god none of us are actually pulling the strings. Let the higher pay grades figure it out. I believe the networks as well as the current members of the Big 12 genuinely want the conference to survive. Deals are being made. Relax, doomsdayers.
 
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isu83 said:
Just win baby. And more viewers will transpire.
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Totally agree, if Campbell can get ISU into a few bowls before the next massive expansion it will give more credibility to any conference looking to expand.
Iowa State is already in a much better position with branding, enrollment and the stadium improvements. than it was 7 years ago there would be little to no chance of getting into the new BCS landscape (if the B12 was the one to dissolve). ISU still has work to do but as long as they continue to upgrade facilities to be in the best possible position to get one of the final spots.
 
If the future of TV turns to big rivalry games to drive ratings, ISU becomes a lot more attractive for the Big10. Placing Iowa State in the West along with Kansas would provide some awesome regional match up. Imagine moving the Iowa vs Iowa State conference game to rivalry weekend.

As long as its brand penetration in big markets, then they will not be attractive to the Big10.

Luckily, the industry is moving towards big games for ratings. This is also why its tough for the Big 12 to pick another member. Almost all options outside of BYU do not being great game match ups.
 
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ISU vs Iowa is not a great game matchup to anyone outside Iowa. B1G could care less about ISU. They invited us years ago and our dipstick administration said no. We had more in common with B10 than B6 at time but had our head in sand and a** waving in the wind. Why? Because we tied ourselves to NU and OU - look where that has gotten us! Everybody says ND will go to ACC along with UConn - why? ACC already has eastern seaboard. What if ISU made a backdoor deal with ACC - AAU school and national recognition of our MBB. We also are closer for ND and would open Midwest to viewers for the ACC. Just my opinion but it is all schools for themselves once again. Might as well go down swinging!
 
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Big 10 will never take ISU..we should be there now..they just won't..They will take Temple before ISU. BIG under Delaney only cares about $$. See Rutgers..PAC while not the best outcome at least keeps us relevant..No way PAC takes TT..they are even more strict about academics than the BIG..not a single PAC President would vote for TT..academics are horrendous. TCU I could see returning to G5 if SEC doesn't take them..they seemed to do just fine before. Although a money loss for sure.

The BIG would take KU but what a joke..All we've heard is its all about football and TV sets...lol..there is no worse football program right now in P5..If it's about bball then why doesn't the BIG take UConn right now? Far larger market and as good bball program if not better.
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You can question ISU to the B10 but when you suggest that the B10 would take non-AAU schools like Temple over ISU, you're off your rocker.

With the ACC and ND locked up in a GOR through 2032, the only AAU schools available for the B10 are UT, KU and ISU. If the B12 blows up and with UT/LHN almost a lock for the ESPN-controlled ACC, ISU is a prime academic/geographic candidate for the B10 if they decide to expand. With Fox now a bigger partner with the B10 due to FS1 and FS2, inventory is now just as important for Fox/B10 as are new premium BTN cable subs in Kansas.
 
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cykadelic2 said:
If the B12 blows up and with UT/LHN almost a lock for the ESPN-controlled ACC...
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Sure the LHN contract goes through 2031, but that doesn't mean it will exist.

1) No way does the ACC, Big10 or SEC take Texas and allow Texas to keep their 3rd Tier rights and LHN. Maybe the ACC does as they have made special accomodations for Notre Dame. But that accomodation would only exist through 2031.

2) The LHN is not profitable for ESPN after 5 years. It's not certain the network will ever be profitable. With cord cutting, that makes profitability even harder to achieve. ESPN is not a charity. If the LHN is not profitable by the next round of NFL (2021ish) and Big10/Big12 TV rights negotiations (2023ish), ESPN will offer Texas a buyout of the LHN. This is a win for ESPN as they cut their losses and a win for Texas as they will get paid for a portion of their 3rd tier rights through 2031 from ESPN and whatever new conference they join, they will get paid for their 3rd tier rights via the Big10 or SEC Networks.

3) Doubtful Texas joins the ACC. That is probably their last choice. Doesn't make sense from a geography or recruiting perspective. Plus Texas loves MONEY! The ACC Network will make nowhere near what the Big10 and SEC Conferences earn. In the recent ACC announcemen, there was no mention of the payouts. Also, the linear version of the Network won't launch until 2019. There is some question if and in what fashion it will take. As much as the ACC Network was hailed by the media as a win for the ACC that won't be seen until 2019. The agreement does save ESPN from paying a $45M penalty annually to the ACC if the ACC Network wasn't up by July 1, 2016.
 
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isucy86 said:
Sure the LHN contract goes through 2031, but that doesn't mean it will exist.

1) No way does the ACC, Big10 or SEC take Texas and allow Texas to keep their 3rd Tier rights and LHN. Maybe the ACC does as they have made special accomodations for Notre Dame. But that accomodation would only exist through 2031.

2) The LHN is not profitable for ESPN after 5 years. It's not certain the network will ever be profitable. With cord cutting, that makes profitability even harder to achieve. ESPN is not a charity. If the LHN is not profitable by the next round of NFL (2021ish) and Big10/Big12 TV rights negotiations (2023ish), ESPN will offer Texas a buyout of the LHN. This is a win for ESPN as they cut their losses and a win for Texas as they will get paid for a portion of their 3rd tier rights through 2031 from ESPN and whatever new conference they join, they will get paid for their 3rd tier rights via the Big10 or SEC Networks.

3) Doubtful Texas joins the ACC. That is probably their last choice. Doesn't make sense from a geography or recruiting perspective. Plus Texas loves MONEY! The ACC Network will make nowhere near what the Big10 and SEC Conferences earn. In the recent ACC announcemen, there was no mention of the payouts. Also, the linear version of the Network won't launch until 2019. There is some question if and in what fashion it will take. As much as the ACC Network was hailed by the media as a win for the ACC that won't be seen until 2019. The agreement does save ESPN from paying a $45M penalty annually to the ACC if the ACC Network wasn't up by July 1, 2016.
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No conference makes sense for Texas geographically except Big 12 or maybe SEC, so saying they would go to Big 10 over ACC because of geography doesn't make sense. ESPN will not buy them out unless they are ACC or SEC. They aren't going to let anyone else have Texas' Tier 3 rights. So out of those 2, I say ACC makes a lot more sense because Texas can be with Notre Dame (partially) and still be a top dog. They can't in the SEC.
 
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isucy86 said:
Sure the LHN contract goes through 2031, but that doesn't mean it will exist.

3) Doubtful Texas joins the ACC. That is probably their last choice. Doesn't make sense from a geography or recruiting perspective. Plus Texas loves MONEY! The ACC Network will make nowhere near what the Big10 and SEC Conferences earn. In the recent ACC announcemen, there was no mention of the payouts. Also, the linear version of the Network won't launch until 2019. There is some question if and in what fashion it will take. As much as the ACC Network was hailed by the media as a win for the ACC that won't be seen until 2019. The agreement does save ESPN from paying a $45M penalty annually to the ACC if the ACC Network wasn't up by July 1, 2016.
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Since ESPN owns all of the ACC's rights, they can easily keep LHN as-is or fold them in some fashion with the ACCN (digital or linear). ESPN will take care of Texas financially with T3 whether it is LHN or ACCN.

ESPN's #1 goal out of this current B12 exercise is to control Texas to the fullest extent possible whether it be a move to the ACC or staying in the B12.
 
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No conference makes sense for Texas geographically except Big 12 or maybe SEC, so saying they would go to Big 10 over ACC because of geography doesn't make sense. ESPN will not buy them out unless they are ACC or SEC. They aren't going to let anyone else have Texas' Tier 3 rights. So out of those 2, I say ACC makes a lot more sense because Texas can be with Notre Dame (partially) and still be a top dog. They can't in the SEC.
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I never said they would go to the Big10 for geographic reasons, the Big10 means more cash than the ACC or Big12 can provide. SEC may make geographic sense, but there will be less cash than the Big10 and I think Texas feels it is above the recruiting garbage that exists in the SEC.

If Texas leaves the Big12, they will go to the Big10 or Pac12.

Dude, its not a complex issue. ESPN and its parent company are in business to make a profit. The LHN loses money for ESPN. Media reports say close to $50M over the first 5 years. If the LHN can't make a profit in the next 4-5 years, ESPN will try to buy Texas out. In a Craig Bohl's article last week in the Austin paper, a promiment Texas booster recommended just that.

If you can find any media source from the last couple years that says ESPN made a good deal with the Longhorns, I would like to see it. ESPN overpaid. Texas FB and MBB team success are nowhere near the level they were in 2010 and the pricing did not foresee cord cutting.
 
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SCNCY said:
At what part in that article does it say there fighting like children? Each school just have different opinions. Oklahoma is more correct in their choice, where Texas is probably facing internal political pressure.

That statement continues the media's narrative that that conference is ready to explode at any moment.
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I didn't say it did. I was expressing an opinion.
 
isucy86 said:
I never said they would go to the Big10 for geographic reasons, the Big10 means more cash than the ACC or Big12 can provide. SEC may make geographic sense, but there will be less cash than the Big10 and I think Texas feels it is above the recruiting garbage that exists in the SEC.

If Texas leaves the Big12, they will go to the Big10 or Pac12.

Dude, its not a complex issue. ESPN and its parent company are in business to make a profit. The LHN loses money for ESPN. Media reports say close to $50M over the first 5 years. If the LHN can't make a profit in the next 4-5 years, ESPN will try to buy Texas out. In a Craig Bohl's article last week in the Austin paper, a promiment Texas booster recommended just that.

If you can find any media source from the last couple years that says ESPN made a good deal with the Longhorns, I would like to see it. ESPN overpaid. Texas FB and MBB team success are nowhere near the level they were in 2010 and the pricing did not foresee cord cutting.
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ESPN is not going to buy Texas out to then let Fox profit off of them. It is not that complex. DUDE.
 
cykadelic2 said:
Since ESPN owns all of the ACC's rights, they can easily keep LHN as-is or fold them in some fashion with the ACCN (digital or linear). ESPN will take care of Texas financially with T3 whether it is LHN or ACCN.

ESPN's #1 goal out of this current B12 exercise is to control Texas to the fullest extent possible whether it be a move to the ACC or staying in the B12.
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Would ESPN love to see the LHN profitable, without question. Would they like to see Texas in the ACC- no doubt as it would be cheaper for ESPN to increase their ACC rights fee for just the value of Texas. Whereas, if they decide to bid on Big12 rigjts in 2023- they have to pay for Texas plus 11+ schools.

That said, ESPN has shown their hand. They are ALL-IN on the ACC and SEC networks as they have conference Networks set up through 2036. Their next decision is do they bid for the Big10 rights in 2023? They bid half of what FOX bid this past spring. IMO if ESPN takes a secondary role with the Big10 rights in 2023, they will not bid on the Big12 rights. They wiil leave the Big12 rights to FOX or someome else.
 
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isucy86 said:
If you can find any media source from the last couple years that says ESPN made a good deal with the Longhorns, I would like to see it. ESPN overpaid. Texas FB and MBB team success are nowhere near the level they were in 2010 and the pricing did not foresee cord cutting.
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LHN for ESPN as all about T3 control and preventing UT from leaving the B12. At $15M/yr, ESPN and UT both knew LHN would likely never be profitable. In ESPN's eyes, LHN saved ESPN money by not having to pay as much to another conference that UT would defect to, namely the P12. And this was all to ISU's benefit.
 
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