Disagree...listen to today kxno podcast..they agree with me..many national pundits think Baylor will get hammered...NCAA will wait to see what Baylor does internally to itself, you are right, but if it's light NCAA will correct that..the worst thing for Baylor is what happened at Penn st..many feel NCAA should have been more harsh..with the Penn st debacle still relatively fresh this is bad for Baylor IMO...An example could be established to say to administrators that this cannot be tolerated anymore.. I'm not sure what we consider severe but significant reduction of scholarships for years and bowl ban for years is significant and I think that's highly likely.
Baylor and NCAA Sanctions
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Disagree...listen to today kxno podcast..they agree with me..many national pundits think Baylor will get hammered...NCAA will wait to see what Baylor does internally to itself, you are right, but if it's light NCAA will correct that..the worst thing for Baylor is what happened at Penn st..many feel NCAA should have been more harsh..with the Penn st debacle still relatively fresh this is bad for Baylor IMO...An example could be established to say to administrators that this cannot be tolerated anymore.. I'm not sure what we consider severe but significant reduction of scholarships for years and bowl ban for years is significant and I think that's highly likely.
The NCAA better get involved. Any school who puts football over crimes this serious (or any crimes let alone NCAA rules) should face major sanctions. The fact that Baylor did nothing about this until it went public proves that they put football above all else, just like Penn State in 2008. And we all know what happened there. I feel like the NCAA really needs to do something serious here to stop this from happening again, specially being in Texas.
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Many think the NCAA should stay out of it too. Dan Wetzel from Yahoo Sports, Andy Staples from SI for example.
Here's another thing to consider. For Penn State, the NCAA had the Freeh Report, and used it in lieu of their own investigation. That was a comprehensive report that named names, and was made available to the public due to Penn Stat's public nature. Baylor is a different story. The report that we got today? That's likely all we're going to get. And the NCAA is very limited in their ability to compel Baylor to give them any more. There's a reason the report didn't mention anyone specifically. This will not be Penn State round 2. If people are hoping for blood in the form of severe NCAA penalties, they're going to come away disappointed.
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Yes, the NCAA was embarrassed in court and had to abandon their sanctions. Those wounds are still fresh. They aren't going to open themselves up to that kind of thing again.
True on NCAA can only get wants public..unless they tell Baylor to hand over every document or your sports programs will cease to exist..kinda kidding..but what the NCAA will do is wait until the Feds or lawyers produce more info then rule...don't think that this is even close to being over..The thing is that we don't know how deep this hole goes...Just wait until victims come forward..could be a few or could be dozens. I see your points I just disagree.
You named some good guys but no one is as connected as Dodds..u think I'm off base? Click..
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-a-power-five-school-should-be-up-for-review/
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Who cares PSU had stuff levied against them and the vast majority of it was repealed or shortened. UNC basically set up a whole bunch of made up courses for their athletes and nothing has happened to them. Why should Baylor be the whipping boy? Briles is gone the players are gone. Starr is probably high enough up and enough degrees of separation to deny it away. The compliance person and the AD may have to go to keep the media satisfied. Starr already gave up the presidency and has another job (Chancellor?) and teaching at the law school.
NCAA has proven itself to be nothing more than a modern day legalized protection racket skimming off the top from the athletic departments and athletes who attend those schools. Many of there transfer decisions seem to be made from a coin toss or reading of tea leaves, or downright favoritism of the blue bloods. Well time to end my rant.
NCAA has proven itself to be nothing more than a modern day legalized protection racket skimming off the top from the athletic departments and athletes who attend those schools. Many of there transfer decisions seem to be made from a coin toss or reading of tea leaves, or downright favoritism of the blue bloods. Well time to end my rant.
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I'm glad you're kidding, because that's the kind of bluffing threat that got the NCAA embarrassed in court up in Happy Valley. The Penn State aftermath gave other schools a road map on how the NCAA tries to operate in these matters. I guarantee Baylor considered that prior to deciding on today's actions and are prepared. If Penn State would have lawyered up and refused to sign off on the NCAA's initial sanctions, there's not a doubt in my mind that they would have prevailed in court. Actually, it probably never would have even made it to court. Baylor won't make that mistake. They'll be ready to sue if the NCAA tries to bring the hammer down.
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What NCAA penalties is Dodds actually calling for? Allowing players to transfer if they want? That's next to nothing. How many Penn State players took advantage of that option? Was it even double digits? Hardly the death penalty.
Removing them from the Power 5? LOL. I hope he's being hyperbolic, but let's just assume he's not. Does he really think the NCAA could make that happen? Not a chance. Not even a minute chance. It will not happen. Dodds doesn't go into any specifics with the NCAA because there really aren't any that he can point to other than "Well, the NCAA went after Penn State, so they should go after Baylor" and like I've said, that tactic isn't going to work the same way this time around.
Title IX isn't about public versus private, it is about any school that gets federal funding including universities whose students get financial aid.
Being a private university does not exclude Baylor from operating within the law, it only really allows the university to not respond to requests for documents or information.
And, you're right - the school itself should be embarrassed and concerned. Football is just the most visible part of the university for most of the country.
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But everyone got the warning about that after they let Penn State off the hook, right? I guess that isn't the way that works.
Baylor still has a ways to go to show they've truly taken this seriously enough. They may be on that road but only a little time will tell. One guy has actually lost his job. One.
I suspect the NCAA will get involved, although they may let the feds or someone else cut the wide path. I agree with those who say the death penalty isn't happening. I don't even think it should.
I suspect the NCAA will get involved, although they may let the feds or someone else cut the wide path. I agree with those who say the death penalty isn't happening. I don't even think it should.
This is hard to believe. The Baylor Peppered report refers to 'coaches' being involved in this mess. Gotta believe one of them was the DC and now he's in charge until they can hire a new staff. The Baylor BOR just can't do what they know needs to be done, including get rid of Starr.
Baylor has fired 1 person..1..if that stands pat the NCAA will get involved...Everyone keeps praising Baylor for doing the right thing etc..the fact that the AD and Pres are still there tells me otherwise.
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Here's a take by Steward Mandel from Fox Sports.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...r-what-happened-in-penn-state-incident-052716
I'll hedge my earlier statements with the caveat mentioned in the article. My opinion on the matter is based on the information that has been released so far. If, going forward, more information is released that indicates that actual NCAA violations occurred, then there may be sanctions.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...r-what-happened-in-penn-state-incident-052716
I'll hedge my earlier statements with the caveat mentioned in the article. My opinion on the matter is based on the information that has been released so far. If, going forward, more information is released that indicates that actual NCAA violations occurred, then there may be sanctions.
I understand the NCAA screwed up big time with PSU. I still think they should have some sanctions and I hope they get them. I would say the same if it were Iowa State.
IMO worship of football caused this coverup. You have to damage that in a real way to discourage this behavior at other institutions.
IMO worship of football caused this coverup. You have to damage that in a real way to discourage this behavior at other institutions.
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The very fact that the NCAA screwed up badly at Penn State, is going to keep them from levying any real punishment, here. They don't want another Penn State. Not from a legal, cost, or PR standpoint.
It seems like the mention of the process being different for football players as a potential improper "benefit" in the article points out some difference with the Penn State situation. Whereas none of the victims at Penn State were students, at least some of the Baylor victims were students with at least one student athlete. I don't think the whole improper benefit situation was in play at Penn State because the student athletes were not the ones behaving abysmally versus the situation at Baylor. Also not sure if the NCAA has any rules about treating student athletes worse than other students and if the athlete victim was treated more awfully than other student victims.
Didn't the NCAA run and duck over Penn State at least in part because of the anti-trust litigation specter? Seems like that threat exists with anyone dissatisfied with any decision they make.
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It does mention that, but also goes on to say how it would be a stretch for the NCAA to consider that a violation.
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Sounds like Baylor is lawyering up.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...firm-to-hedge-against-ncaa-penn-state-repeat/
Any investigation by the NCAA is going to have to go through the law firm. They won't give up anything they don't have to. There will be no consent to sanctions like at Penn State. They're going to fight if the NCAA tries to go outside their scope again. The road map has been drawn. End result of this is a nominal punishment from the NCAA at most, imho.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...firm-to-hedge-against-ncaa-penn-state-repeat/
Any investigation by the NCAA is going to have to go through the law firm. They won't give up anything they don't have to. There will be no consent to sanctions like at Penn State. They're going to fight if the NCAA tries to go outside their scope again. The road map has been drawn. End result of this is a nominal punishment from the NCAA at most, imho.
