Wild Big 12 Expansion Idea

[cyIclSoneU]

My initial reaction also. But there is a benefit. Let’s be honest, ISU would be at risk of being relegated down in FB. Particularly since the Big 12 division will get more difficult. Assume a Houston wins the second division in year 1, and KU gets moved down. In year 2, ISU now has to play Houston instead of KU.

If we get relegated in year 2, we now get a much easier schedule. We might be celebrating a ten win season, a bowl game, etc instead of getting our brains beat in for 2-3 conference wins. And we could fight for the division championship and play in the conference championship game. As long as we get the same money, might be refreshing to get an easier schedule and kick some butt. You think Iowa fans complain they were in an embarrassingly easy division last year?

That's not like winning 10 games in the B1G, it's like winning 10 games in the MAC. And yes I would rather play in the Big 12 than go 12-0 in the MAC of course.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

He did not talk about that, but no, I don't think the money would change for the original Big 12 members. That would be devastating for a school like ISU that has invested in facilities to see their share cut to 1/2 or 2/3. But it would probably be easy to give the school moving up a bonus allocation of a couple of million and maybe penalize the school moving down a million.

Idk that scheduling would be terribly difficult. If a Houston moves up in FB, and a KU moves down, they simply take each other's schedule the next year. Logistics would have to be redone, but you would have a year to do it.

Swapping out isn't quite that easy - schools have different start days, different breaks, different finals weeks, etc...

 

[jcyclonee]

I was thinking the Collectively Loathed and Unified Scholastic Tournament Entirely Restructured For Unmitigated Chaotic Karma

That's probably more accurate and complete.

 

[KnappShack]

If the team got relegated down, it could still win its lower division the next year and play the Big 12 division champion in the conference championship game (and get moved back up for the following year).

So the losers bracket plays the winners bracket in the championship? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that produce some really lopsided championship games?

 

[klamath632]

No, just no.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

One thing I'm not sure I'm following - is the up & down on a sport by sport basis, or is it driven by football? If the latter, I can't see ISU OR KU ever agreeing to it. The basketball programs would be screwed...

 

[CycloneWarning]

One thing I'm not sure I'm following - is the up & down on a sport by sport basis, or is it driven by football? If the latter, I can't see ISU OR KU ever agreeing to it. The basketball programs would be screwed...

Individually, and just the big three (FB, MBB, and WBB). So we would lose a TCU in MBB and maybe get a Cincy.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Individually, and just the big three (FB, MBB, and WBB). So we would lose a TCU in MBB and maybe get a Cincy.

I am guessing 9 of the 10 schools in the conference would consider the "big three" to be FB, MBB, and baseball.

 

[CycloneWarning]

So the losers bracket plays the winners bracket in the championship? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that produce some really lopsided championship games?

I think you are thinking these next ten schools are joke schools, but it would be the caliber of a Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado State, etc. Schools that are in the mix anyway.

Theoretically, an OU - Houston FB championship game would be an interesting draw and not a lock for a blowout.

 

[JD720]

I think you are thinking these next ten schools are joke schools, but it would be the caliber of a Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado State, etc. Schools that are in the mix anyway.

Theoretically, an OU - Houston FB championship game would be an interesting draw and not a lock for a blowout.

That's fine for year 1, but eventually the better programs will be in the upper division and the next ten will be mediocre at best. Going forward, the winner of the 2nd division may not even be ranked at times. You can't give that team a puncher's chance to knock the Big 12 out of the playoff.

 

[KnappShack]

I think you are thinking these next ten schools are joke schools, but it would be the caliber of a Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado State, etc. Schools that are in the mix anyway.

Theoretically, an OU - Houston FB championship game would be an interesting draw and not a lock for a blowout.

They would still be bottom of the pack schools as far as performance. Why would a league ever reward a team for winning the losers bracket and letting them play in the championship??

Only the Big Ten pulls **** like that. Right, Hawkeyes?

 

[Cycsk]

So the losers bracket plays the winners bracket in the championship? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that produce some really lopsided championship games?

You mean like the Big 10 most years?

 

[Cycsk]

They would still be bottom of the pack schools as far as performance. Why would a league ever reward a team for winning the losers bracket and letting them play in the championship??

Only the Big Ten pulls **** like that. Right, Hawkeyes?

Beat me by less than a minute!

 

[agcy68]

The problem with soccer style relegation is that they don't have the same type of head to head recruiting and don't have forced 'retirement' after 4 years of eligibility.

 

[WIBadger]

That's not like winning 10 games in the B1G, it's like winning 10 games in the MAC. And yes I would rather play in the Big 12 than go 12-0 in the MAC of course.

Exactly. I would rather play in the big 12 or big 10 because those are schools we have a history with or who are like us. I would not get that excited to play in the MAC or against conference usa or mountain west teams

 

[Farnsworth]

That is a wild idea, interesting to think about for fun/novelty of it, but would be a horrible realistic idea.

 

[Cyclonetrombone]

Seems like every "wild" idea has relegation in it... I am not sure when there became so many frigging soccer fans but holy heck. Also been brought up a billion+ times. No longer wild... just stupid.

 

[randomfan44]

It would also make it difficult to schedule conference games which are set up well in advance. How would you know who the top team in the lower division and the bottom team in the upper division would be? Scheduling collegiate sports, you have to work around a lot more variables than in pro sports. I think the basketball scheduling would be exceptionally problematic.

Conference schedules do not come out until the receding season ends so this wouldn't be a problem at all. But I will give the idea of the OP a big fat NO. There aren't 10 teams in the nation that are even remotely worthy of being included and the division of monies would be ridiculous, quickly making the Big 12 one of the worst conference in the nation.

 

[randomfan44]

I was thinking the Collectively Loathed and Unified Scholastic Tournament Entirely Restructured For Unmitigated Chaotic Karma

AKA "The Big Cluster F--K"

 

[randomfan44]

I think you are thinking these next ten schools are joke schools, but it would be the caliber of a Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado State, etc. Schools that are in the mix anyway. Theoretically, an OU - Houston FB championship game would be an interesting draw and not a lock for a blowout.

You may get a couple of those worthy teams to join but the rest would be garbage schools that offer zero additional revenue which means splitting the money into more, smaller pieces. NO.