Sideline Rules (in KU/OU game)

[BCClone]

What's the rule on hitting someone in the face when they are shooting?
Seriously, this is a non issue. There are always calls missed both ways. let's not forget that Hield should be able to pass by around a 5' 10 player. It was a bad pass by Hield and a good play by Mason. It was a great game by both teams. Leave it at that.

To make the play even worse, using randoms statement that it was the last jump during the pass when he crossed, mason was the first to touch the ball while being out of bounds.

So, first, he is too close, then crosses the outofbounds and then makes contact with heild, then makes contact with the ball while out of bounds. A major mess up by refs.

 

[JP4CY]

What's the rule on hitting someone in the face when they are shooting?
Seriously, this is a non issue. There are always calls missed both ways. let's not forget that Hield should be able to pass by around a 5' 10 player. It was a bad pass by Hield and a good play by Mason. It was a great game by both teams. Leave it at that.

Then why are you commenting on this clearly worded thread and why does every non-KU fan think they got away with it? Kansas has a long, long history of home court cooking, regardless if this game was evenly terribly officiated.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

It would seem that some of this could be alleviated by having a required perimeter around basketball court sidelines, creating sufficient space for the inbounding player to step back if necessary...but there's no doubt Mason was given too much leeway when crowding Hield. A whistle and a warning (no foul) would not have impacted the game or the clock.

 

[carvers4math]

Mason clearly knew he could cheat and refs wouldn't dare call it.

 

[Cycsk]

We need to hear from ruxCYtble, Blum, and some of our other ref-types.

 

[jcyclonee]

So take the 3 point line off for the OU game...

Can we go with these court markings for the **** KU game?

Black areas equal no KU players allowed.




Sorry about the bad, quick image manipulation skillz.

 

[isulive2train]

The refs missed that. It's 3 feet and that part of the floor gave Buddy no room to be back farther. They blew the call

Apology letter.

 

[jkclone]

It would seem that some of this could be alleviated by having a required perimeter around basketball court sidelines, creating sufficient space for the inbounding player to step back if necessary...but there's no doubt Mason was given too much leeway when crowding Hield. A whistle and a warning (no foul) would not have impacted the game or the clock.

I think it would have affected the game in that I think they get it inbounded if they don't let Mason jump over the line.

 

[Jaws73]

There is no question that it was a violation. The first time a defender goes thru the plane of the sideline or endline. It is give a delay of game warning. The second time it is a technical. I do mostly High School and some college women. I have called that many times. Especially when there isn't much depth to the out of bounce line.
It is a big advantage to the defense. It cuts down on the angle that the inbounder can throw.
That to me is the first and foremost job of the official that is responsible for the throw in.
The officials mostly did a good job, but you cant miss that play.
It was same official that game Self a Tecnical. He had called a foul when it was very obvious it was all ball. He was the weak leak on the crew. John Higgins was one of the other officials. I think he is one of the best officials in the game today.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I think it would have affected the game in that I think they get it inbounded if they don't let Mason jump over the line.

Maybe I should clarify - blowing the whistle, stopping play, and warning Mason would not have affected the game as it stood. No time off the clock, no foul, no free throws. It WOULD, however, have allowed the game to finish according to accepted rules (3 ft cushion, which was prevented by KU's courtside structures).

There was very little time left; odds are probably less than 50/50 they complete the inbound and sink a basket. But at least an amazing game would not have ended on such a sour note.

 

[carvers4math]

There is no question that it was a violation. The first time a defender goes thru the plane of the sideline or endline. It is give a delay of game warning. The second time it is a technical. I do mostly High School and some college women. I have called that many times. Especially when there isn't much depth to the out of bounce line.
It is a big advantage to the defense. It cuts down on the angle that the inbounder can throw.
That to me is the first and foremost job of the official that is responsible for the throw in.
The officials mostly did a good job, but you cant miss that play.
It was same official that game Self a Tecnical. He had called a foul when it was very obvious it was all ball. He was the weak leak on the crew. John Higgins was one of the other officials. I think he is one of the best officials in the game today.

You had me until you got to Hollywood Higgins. :twitcy:

 

[allfourcy]

There is no question that it was a violation. The first time a defender goes thru the plane of the sideline or endline. It is give a delay of game warning. The second time it is a technical. I do mostly High School and some college women. I have called that many times. Especially when there isn't much depth to the out of bounce line.
It is a big advantage to the defense. It cuts down on the angle that the inbounder can throw.
That to me is the first and foremost job of the official that is responsible for the throw in.
The officials mostly did a good job, but you cant miss that play.


It was same official that game Self a Tecnical. He had called a foul when it was very obvious it was all ball. He was the weak leak on the crew. John Higgins was one of the other officials. I think he is one of the best officials in the game today.

Well, he better be. I viewed him at Stanford Fri.night, at Minnesota/ Sat., Arizona St./ Sun, and KU last night. 4 nights in a row with intense games with at least 1 ranked team in all games. Is there that big of shortage of refs that the same guy travels that much and does four nights in a row? Seems a bit much to me.

 

[Cycsk]

Maybe I should clarify - blowing the whistle, stopping play, and warning Mason would not have affected the game as it stood. No time off the clock, no foul, no free throws. It WOULD, however, have allowed the game to finish according to accepted rules (3 ft cushion, which was prevented by KU's courtside structures).

There was very little time left; odds are probably less than 50/50 they complete the inbound and sink a basket. But at least an amazing game would not have ended on such a sour note.

Generally, I agree. It would have been appropriate for a great game to end with a team making a legit play.

However, I still can't find any statement of the 3 foot rule. The only rule is that "No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his person over theinside plane of the boundary line."

http://g-macsports.com/custompages/Governance/NCAArulebooks/Basketball_Mens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf

page 72

 

[McKinney]

There is no question that it was a violation. The first time a defender goes thru the plane of the sideline or endline. It is give a delay of game warning. The second time it is a technical. I do mostly High School and some college women. I have called that many times. Especially when there isn't much depth to the out of bounce line.
It is a big advantage to the defense. It cuts down on the angle that the inbounder can throw.
That to me is the first and foremost job of the official that is responsible for the throw in.
The officials mostly did a good job, but you cant miss that play.
It was same official that game Self a Tecnical. He had called a foul when it was very obvious it was all ball. He was the weak leak on the crew. John Higgins was one of the other officials. I think he is one of the best officials in the game today.

I agree with this statement, yet he cost OU 2 points earlier in the game on what should have been a Hield and-1 when the KU defender reached through the rim to goaltend a shot. Higgins got ahead of himself and was walking to the scorers table to call the foul instead of watching the result of the shot.

 

[carvers4math]

There was also another goal tend on a Hield shot late in the game that wasn't called on a foul where they pushed him out past the baseline and contacted the ball after it had hit the backboard.

 

[jbhtexas]

So take the 3 point line off for the OU game...

Interesting thought...Rule 1 requires certain floor markings and equipment, and one of the defined duties of the officials prior to the game is to inspect the court and equipment.

An administrative technical can be assessed for an improper game and shot clock setup and illegal uniform. I haven't read the rule book cover to cover, but in browsing over it, there doesn't seem to be any sort of procedure for dealing with an improperly marked floor or equipment violations apart from the ones above.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/DownloadPublication.aspx?download=BR17.pdf

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Generally, I agree. It would have been appropriate for a great game to end with a team making a legit play.

However, I still can't find any statement of the 3 foot rule. The only rule is that "No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his person over theinside plane of the boundary line."

http://g-macsports.com/custompages/Governance/NCAArulebooks/Basketball_Mens_Rule_Book_2013-2015.pdf

page 72

b. The designated spot shall be 3-feet wide with no depth limitation

KU did a pretty good job of limiting the depth of the space with their courtside structures...



I don't know all the official rules of basketball...I freely admit that. However, on many occasions I have seen refs stop an inbounds play and instruct the defender to back off. And Mason was chest to chest with Hield and over the line during the inbounds play.

 

[2forISU]

It's pretty obvious Mason had his hands and arms over the sideline.

Not just over the line, but he touches him twice!

 

[Cycsk]

b. The designated spot shall be 3-feet wide with no depth limitation

KU did a pretty good job of limiting the depth of the space with their courtside structures...



I don't know all the official rules of basketball...I freely admit that. However, on many occasions I have seen refs stop an inbounds play and instruct the defender to back off. And Mason was chest to chest with Hield and over the line during the inbounds play.

Agreed. And I make reference to "that" 3-foot rule (having a space of 3 feet wide to move) in a post above. However, I don't find any reference to "the" 3-foot rule about a defender having to stand 3 feet back. Yet, many of us have seen it called and assumed it was a rule.

The NCAA will need to clarify that rule if it exists . . . or you are going to see some drastically different defenses on out-of-bounds plays for the rest of the season.

 

[randomfan44]

So, is this Big12 commissioner official evaluation/apology material or not????

The only Apology that should be issued by the Big 12 is for the foul call against Mason at the end of the first half by the ref standing directly behind the OU player who could not possibly have seen if a foul was even committed (which it wasn't) and which resulted in Bill Self getting a technical, OU getting three points instead of the run out layup for Mason and Mason having to play the rest of the game with more fouls than he earned.