Recruit Lists v2.0

[acgclone]

And to think that there was a decent size contingency out there not very happy when Otz came back and claimed he was overrated with his recruiting.

No one was unhappy that Otz came back. People were freaking out when it appeared like he would be our HC. Frankly, the weight he's carrying in recruiting right now, should land him a HC position at a mid-major in the next couple of years, IMO.

Prohm was part of a successful head coaching tree, so hopefully that continues with TJ.

 

[Triggermv]

No one was unhappy that Otz came back. People were freaking out when it appeared like he would be our HC. Frankly, the weight he's carrying in recruiting right now, should land him a HC position at a mid-major in the next couple of years, IMO.

Prohm was part of a successful head coaching tree, so hopefully that continues with TJ.

There definitely might be some truth to what you are saying even though I specifically remember at least a few who really didn't want him back, but were like whatever. Regardless, there was a decent amount of knocking on his actual recruiting ability, especially when he was considered for head coach. Personally, I always tended to favor the opinion of a few people I know with inside information who have always said that the man is an absolute machine when it comes to hitting the recruiting trail. Who knows, I may be a touch biased too beings how I was in the "hire TJ" camp for our head coach search. Regardless, that is past and I'm at least glad he stuck around as an assistant.

 

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

To be fair, he hasn't been mentioned with any schools.

This was my point

 

[allfourcy]

Just a question...I thought Curry really went out of his way to talk about the family atmosphere at Minny, etc. ,and even mentioned in his article that he made his decision 'after' returning from ISU visit. So.... does anyone think Coffey visiting at the same time and them being good friends had a great deal to do with his commit there? I've always wondered if recruits visiting together helps a lot. What is so more 'family' about Minny? After all, he left his home state of Arkansas. But maybe recruits say that all the time. I have no idea if Minny had a relationship built with him long before our staff or not. Did they?? Not having been there, I'm sure Minny has a lot to offer. Plus I have no idea how good Pitino is as a recruiter. Always like to think that recruits will say the gel with the team/family more so about visiting here, but maybe that's overrated. Likely, I'm biased with the 'why wouldn't every player want to play here in front of one of the best fan bases who really embraces their players?" lol (I suppose a lot of fan bases say the same.)

With Georges/Naz/Monte being our biggest ambassadors of Cyclonenation, but playing out their last years, I think we'll miss that recruiting bond they bring to the table. But, again, its a transition of staff, and lots of new players coming on board, so I'm sure that this year will be the toughest. I'm more wondering why Arlando Cook chose Nevada, but heck, can't get 'em all. Kudos to our coaches and the work they are putting in!

 

[acgclone]

There definitely might be some truth to what you are saying even though I specifically remember at least a few who really didn't want him back, but were like whatever. Regardless, there was a decent amount of knocking on his actual recruiting ability, especially when he was considered for head coach. Personally, I always tended to favor the opinion of a few people I know with inside information who have always said that the man is an absolute machine when it comes to hitting the recruiting trail. Who knows, I may be a touch biased too beings how I was in the "hire TJ" camp for our head coach search. Regardless, that is past and I'm at least glad he stuck around as an assistant.

Agree, TJ's recruiting credentials shouldn't be questioned. If someone can point to a better recruiter in the history of ISU, I would be surprised.

 

[Triggermv]

Agree, TJ's recruiting credentials shouldn't be questioned. If someone can point to a better recruiter in the history of ISU, I would be surprised.

Many people always fail to realize that the dude is recruiting to ISU in Ames, IA and not to Chapel Hill, NC. I love Ames and ISU, but I realize it isn't for everyone. The fact of the matter is that we are always going to be at some type of natural disadvantage in recruiting as compared to the blue bloods. Shoot, even poor recruiters at places like those can probably pull in 4 and 5 star guys by default, while the absolute studs here tend to top out at a few 4 stars a year, and maybe an occasional breakthrough to the high side. It is what it is and people need to make judgments accordingly. I just want guys who can maximize what they are working with, and TJ IS one of those guys. Also, the bar for basketball is higher than for football for many reasons. Now, that isn't to say that if we pocket a few national titles and maintain our top 10 status for a solid 10 years, that it can't budge at all.

 

[Dingus]

So was it TJ for Malou and Young, Robinson for Carter? Who was lead on Jackson? I assumed it was Small working the SE players (white, curry, 2017 guys). Don't know who was on Simpson.

 

[IAStubborn]

He has a good track record with info.

Regardless, a pretty good rule of thumb is that when we hear our name associated with an offer to a particular recruit, and there is dead silence for the next 2-3 months with no media mentions between us and the recruit, it means that at least one party has written the other off.

To be fair there has been no mention of him and anyone and we are his only confirmed offer. This leads me to be very he is likely going to play in Europe and everyone in the recruiting circle now knows it.

 

[Wesley]

To be fair there has been no mention of him and anyone and we are his only confirmed offer. This leads me to be very he is likely going to play in Europe and everyone in the recruiting circle now knows it.

The only thing that makes sense.

 

[Clone_12]

Agree, TJ's recruiting credentials shouldn't be questioned. If someone can point to a better recruiter in the history of ISU, I would be surprised.

TJ is a phenomenal recruiter...as far as best ever, let's pump the brakes. Tim Floyd and his staff managed to land Dedric Willoughby, Kelvin Cato, Marcus Fizer, Kirk Hinrich, and per friends of Nick Collison, were on the verge of getting a commitment out of him before Tim left for the NBA...all in a matter of 4 years. That's 4 top 20 draft picks (3 lottery) and one of the best shooting guards in ISU history in 4 years.
(To put that into perspective, we've had 1 top 20 draft pick since, and it was Royce White)

Not to mention guys like Paul Shirley, Martin Rancik, Stevie Johnson, Michael Nurse, etc...we've never had a recruiter like Floyd.

His class with Fizer, Rancik, Bruhton, and Henderson ranked 2nd nationally to only Duke (too bad only 2 of them stepped foot on campus)

 

[IAStubborn]

Small and Robinson need to pick it up. Otz is owning them right now and is also the lead assistant for Long

To be fair we would have gotten Strong and likely others had we not landed Otz's recruits first and he had a head start recruiting to ISU and the only guy that was really targeting guys on the p5 level prior to june. Which is why retaining him was so critical. If he stays around would expect Danyal and Small to start landing some (as well as Prohm).

 

[Clone_12]

So was it TJ for Malou and Young, Robinson for Carter? Who was lead on Jackson? I assumed it was Small working the SE players (white, curry, 2017 guys). Don't know who was on Simpson.

TJ was lead on Malou, Young, and Ernst, and was responsible for us going after Jackson (although Prohm lead that recruitment).

Robinson and Prohm were Carter I believe.

 

[Triggermv]

To be fair we would have gotten Strong and likely others had we not landed Otz's recruits first and he had a head start recruiting to ISU and the only guy that was really targeting guys on the p5 level prior to june. Which is why retaining him was so critical. If he stays around would expect Danyal and Small to start landing some (as well as Prohm).

You do raise a good point that TJ definitely had a somewhat varying degree of head start to the other guys, especially when recruiting P5 type guys. 2017 should be a good year to truly judge the differing recruiting skills of the staff. With that said, I'd be pretty surprised if TJ still didn't come out as #1 then too, providing he is still around. I'd say odds are pretty good TJ will land some type of head coaching job at some point, and probably sooner rather than later.

 

[1Nation]

You guys are selling TJ way short in the recruiting world, he's been responsible for HUGE players through his time with Iowa State. Craig Brackins anyone? Mike Taylor, Diante Garrett, Scotty C, Clyburn, Lucious, Chris Babb, Ejim, Naz, Matty Thomas, Niang. TJ led the way for all of those guys.

 

[HornacekFan1414]

We sure as hell need TJ here the next couple years... Hopefully we give him a nice raise after this season to show our appreciation and keep him in Iowa as long as we can ( maybe his wife will push for them to stay until the twins are a few years older)...

 

[Clone_12]

You guys are selling TJ way short in the recruiting world, he's been responsible for HUGE players through his time with Iowa State. Craig Brackins anyone? Mike Taylor, Diante Garrett, Scotty C, Clyburn, Lucious, Chris Babb, Ejim, Naz, Matty Thomas, Niang. TJ led the way for all of those guys.

Everyone posting on here agrees he is a great recruiter. No need to get worked up when nobody is disagreeing with ya.

 

[jahfg]

Just a question...I thought Curry really went out of his way to talk about the family atmosphere at Minny, etc. ,and even mentioned in his article that he made his decision 'after' returning from ISU visit. So.... does anyone think Coffey visiting at the same time and them being good friends had a great deal to do with his commit there? I've always wondered if recruits visiting together helps a lot. What is so more 'family' about Minny? After all, he left his home state of Arkansas. But maybe recruits say that all the time. I have no idea if Minny had a relationship built with him long before our staff or not. Did they?? Not having been there, I'm sure Minny has a lot to offer. Plus I have no idea how good Pitino is as a recruiter. Always like to think that recruits will say the gel with the team/family more so about visiting here, but maybe that's overrated. Likely, I'm biased with the 'why wouldn't every player want to play here in front of one of the best fan bases who really embraces their players?" lol (I suppose a lot of fan bases say the same.)

With Georges/Naz/Monte being our biggest ambassadors of Cyclonenation, but playing out their last years, I think we'll miss that recruiting bond they bring to the table. But, again, its a transition of staff, and lots of new players coming on board, so I'm sure that this year will be the toughest. I'm more wondering why Arlando Cook chose Nevada, but heck, can't get 'em all. Kudos to our coaches and the work they are putting in!

Coffey was a HUGE factor for Curry going to Minnesota. It's a weird decision to us as Pitino hasn't shown us anything, but Coffey is highly regarded and a Minnesota kid, and Minneapolis is a great city. If they're friends, going to a P5 school in a top conference together isn't that far-fetched.

 

[jcyclonee]

We sure as hell need TJ here the next couple years... Hopefully we give him a nice raise after this season to show our appreciation and keep him in Iowa as long as we can ( maybe his wife will push for them to stay until the twins are a few years older)...

Oh no. We tried that justification for staying on a previous coach.

Prohm seems like a pretty good guy, seems to be working very hard and I believe that he will be a great coach. However, Fred did give this university a certain measure of coolness that it hasn't seen since it won World War II.

 

[mjhavlo76]

You guys are selling TJ way short in the recruiting world, he's been responsible for HUGE players through his time with Iowa State. Craig Brackins anyone? Mike Taylor, Diante Garrett, Scotty C, Clyburn, Lucious, Chris Babb, Ejim, Naz, Matty Thomas, Niang. TJ led the way for all of those guys.

Niang was solely Fred Hoiberg's work.

 

[HornacekFan1414]

Oh no. We tried that justification for staying on a previous coach.

Prohm seems like a pretty good guy, seems to be working very hard and I believe that he will be a great coach. However, Fred did give this university a certain measure of coolness that it hasn't seen since it won World War II.

lol, I know what you are saying. However, there is a big difference in wanting to be near family when you have infant twins verses middle school age....and I am hoping that plays a bigger factor...