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Done with Wally

benjay said:
It's different for me because I think Wally actually knows how to coach, unlike Mess.

But to be honest, the entire staff should be fired. I just couldn't see firing Wally if we're keeping CPR.
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I believe your right. I think he does know how to coach, but i think its time for him to step away. at some point you need some fresh ideas. the guy has been around for a long time which is a good and a bad thing. I think CPR and Wally are very stubborn in their ways which is starting to hurt the program.
 
I know this idea sounds crazy and would never happen in the real world, but...

What if next year our HC is Mangino (promotion), our DC is Rhoads (demotion) and our OC is (new hire)?

Did I say I know this sounds crazy and would never happen? Yes I did.
 
benjay said:
It's different for me because I think Wally actually knows how to coach, unlike Mess.

But to be honest, the entire staff should be fired. I just couldn't see firing Wally if we're keeping CPR.
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Well in Wally's case a "voluntary" retirement is probably going to be what happens if ISU wants him gone.
 
gogagig said:
Well in Wally's case a "voluntary" retirement is probably going to be what happens if ISU wants him gone.
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I recall CW saying something on one of his KXNO spots that he was surprised Wally came back this year. IF Wally was indeed that close to retiring this year, then it seems like there's a pretty good chance he'll step down this year and save Rhoads from having to make a tough decision.

I don't blame Wally entirely for the struggles on defense this year. As a coach all you can do is put the players in position to execute. Coaches don't miss tackles, overrun plays, or draw stupid PI calls because they didn't get turned around and make a play for the ball. But there have been several times this year where they just haven't looked prepared from the first step, and that is 100% on the coaching staff.
 
jbindm said:
Wally's been around long enough that he'll see the writing on the wall if CPR has decided that change needs to be made at season's end. He'll retire before it comes to that.
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I don't doubt that. I think Wally will be gone at the end of the year. I just don't know if Rhoads would be willing to fire a coordinator again, especially since that would really put CPR on the hot seat IMO. People saying we need continuity with the staff must not realize that we are almost certain to have a new D-Coordinator within the next two years and who really knows how long Mangino will stay. If Burnham leaves after this year and Mangino gets an offer from another school and leaves (I doubt this is TOO likely), wouldn't it make sense to fire CPR? If you're already starting over with two new coordinators, might as well off the head coach who's already on the hot seat.

Like I said, I doubt this will happen, just a thought.
 
AMarner32 said:
I don't doubt that. I think Wally will be gone at the end of the year. I just don't know if Rhoads would be willing to fire a coordinator again, especially since that would really put CPR on the hot seat IMO. People saying we need continuity with the staff must not realize that we are almost certain to have a new D-Coordinator within the next two years and who really knows how long Mangino will stay. If Burnham leaves after this year and Mangino gets an offer from another school and leaves (I doubt this is TOO likely), wouldn't it make sense to fire CPR? If you're already starting over with two new coordinators, might as well off the head coach who's already on the hot seat.

Like I said, I doubt this will happen, just a thought.
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understandable about the new coordinators and firing CPR After the "15 season.
 
If Wally were to retire, that would create a great excuse for next year - we can't stop anybody because we are putting in a "new system" on defense.
 
CyCy said:
If Wally were to retire, that would create a great excuse for next year - we can't stop anybody because we are putting in a "new system" on defense.
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Not like we're going to be doing too much stopping with a Wally defense.
 
Not super convinced Rhoads would be a good dcoord even if he accepted a demotion.
 
AdamJGray said:
Wally Burnham is a great coach. His resume for the past 40 years speaks for itself.

With that said, it might be time for him to retire. A new staff has provided a little spark in the offense, maybe it will for the defense. Still, we need better players on defense. We don't have Big 12 quality DL or LB's.
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I'll bet money Morrissey makes All Big 12 and everyone said that when McDonough was a senior too.
 
AdamJGray said:
Recruiting is the MOST important part of college sports.

BUT not all coaches are on staff to recruit. If you want to blame the lack of defensive talent on someone, I would look at the guys who are out there recruiting, not Wally. That's just my opinion.

It's no different than basketball. We have Matt and Cornell recruiting. Hoiberg didn't hire Charlie Henry to recruit. He hired him for his X's and O's.

Wally deserves criticism for today. I've said that. Hell I killed him publicly on last week's podcast after the Texas game. I just don't think recruiting is something we should criticize him for. Rhoads, Shane, Sturdy, etc....sure
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It's really not. There are plenty of examples of great recruiting done in by poor teaching.
 
DuckDynastyCy said:
I understand their history very well, and the demographics similar to ours, and now they play in a real conference and not the sucky Big East (seeBig10) which led to their past success. As I said, those past BCS teams were built on FL Offensive speed, getting out ahead of their opponents and hanging on. They were never dominant in Defense but their defensive improvement is growing at a much faster rate than ours, and that is due to a Talent/ Recruiting. Players don't go to WV because it is known as a defensive school, and yet the are kicking our tail in the recruiting trail. I didn't compare to MN because they are not our in conference competition. WV is. So when are we going to hunt down a top 10 recruiter like coach Bradley?
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Common misconception but for someone so versed in WVU history you should know that.
 
Tre4ISU said:
I'll bet money Morrissey makes All Big 12 and everyone said that when McDonough was a senior too.
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I hope Morrissey does, but 1 guy doesn't make a quality DL. From spring of last year to this last game, we are on our 4th string DT's. It's not a Big 12 quality group.

And not everybody was saying that about McDonough. I know I wasn't.

Tre4ISU said:
It's really not. There are plenty of examples of great recruiting done in by poor teaching.
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Ok.....we will have to agree to disagree. There are more examples of great recruiting winning than examples of great recruiting losing. Sure it happens, but there is a reason the teams that have top 10 recruiting classes every year are more times than not, the ones that are competing for conference and national titles. They have players.
 
AdamJGray said:
I hope Morrissey does, but 1 guy doesn't make a quality DL. From spring of last year to this last game, we are on our 4th string DT's. It's not a Big 12 quality group.

And not everybody was saying that about McDonough. I know I wasn't.



Ok.....we will have to agree to disagree. There are more examples of great recruiting winning than examples of great recruiting losing. Sure it happens, but there is a reason the teams that have top 10 recruiting classes every year are more times than not, the ones that are competing for conference and national titles. They have players.
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But a lot of those coaches have shown the ability to develop players. Saban developed players before he had the talent he had. Same with Mullen. Same with pretty much every coach at a high profile school having success. There are far more coaches who have all the talent in the world and fail. Hoke, Kiffin, Muschamp, I'd argue Dabo underachieves, Chizik did it, Mack on and on. For every coach you name with recruiting and success, there's a trail of that success. It's about development. Recruiting is like hitting the turbo button.
 
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