Exactly. The NCAA should be all in favor of the 5th year transfer as it encourages players to graduate.
How long will the current transfer rules exist?
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No one forces them into college, you can go directly to the NBDL out of high school, or play in Europe for a year.
Last thing I read indicated that they're leaning toward eliminating all exceptions and would require everyone to sit out a year (including 5th year guys) regardless of circumstances. I think that would be the most reasonable approach and avoid having so many arbitrary decision made on waivers..
How does the APR issue factor in for graduate transfers? Take Kane - if he doesn't get his graduate degree does it adversely impact APR?
No, I don't think graduate studies have anything to do with APR. And basically none of these grad transfers actually get their graduate degrees of course. However, they still shouldn't be penalized for getting their BA early either.
Would be interesting to see how many of them actually get a graduate degree. I would guess close to zero. That is why it might get changed, because the system allows them to come in and not do anything but play ball as long as somebody is signing off on their phantom graduate degree program.
Please explain. If a 5th year player has to sit out, their eligibility is up.
So their 2 choices would be:
1) Transfer. Lose their final year of eligibility and their scholarship.
2) Stay at their current school and enroll in a graduate major they don't want.
I realize many kids are using this as a loophole, but people are forgetting the reason this rule was put in place was actually a good one. If you have already graduated AND your current school does not offer graduate curriculum in your area of study, the student athlete should not be penalized. If you take away the loophole, you are also taking away the reason for the rule and IMO you can't do that.
Im not disagreeing with you but how often is that actually occurring? I don't think it's often where the kid said he's transferring because of graduate studies.
I mean nothing may happen....but will be interesting what comes out of these meetings on the 24th and how much traction reform gets. As we know....and as Okoro knows.....the NCAA isn't exactly the model of consistancy...and the exploitation of a rule that TODAY has little to do with academic progress...is usually right in their wheelhouse.
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No idea how they justify making a limitation on that and since the money/power schools benefit I don't see where the impetus comes from either.
How is keeping one and done's in the NCAA longer better for Iowa State? I don't see it. That just gives KU and their one and done's extra time to develop and will make it tougher for ISU to win the Big xii. I personally love the one and done rule.
The graduate transfer rule will change when a team like ISU wins the National Championship with one or two 5th year senior transfers over a blue blood with their one and dones. Because there is no way lowly ISU should compete with all that one and done NBA talent.
I hope they don't change the 5th year transfer rule. The kid, whoever it may be, earned the right to transfer out and play somewhere else and shouldn't be treated the same as a guy who got kicked off a team for breaking rules.
You can't force someone to pay for a grad program though if they can't afford it. This is just an example, but Kane got his first year of grad school paid for and for all we know he is in good standing with it. Now that he is done with basketball they don't pay for his masters program anymore who is the NCAA to say the student-athlete has continue with it on their own dime when maybe they can't afford it.
If the NCAA wants to make sure these 5th year guys are finishing the masters programs they are starting they need to extend the student athletes scholarship until they are done (but this isn't going to happen)
Let's take KU for example. Would Kelly Oubre want to go to KU knowing that he would have to sit behind Wiggins next year? Maybe, maybe not. Would the 5-star big man they're in on want to sit behind Embiid if he was back again? Probably not. I personally think it would be a wash.
The blue bloods would continue to stock pile the most talent, but because guys had to stay an extra year, it would maybe cause some players to look elsewhere. On the flip side, guys like Wiggins, Embiid, Jabarhi Park and Randal would be back again next year, so their teams would be pretty amazing.
Hasn't it been said by some coaches (even Self) that they are okay with the 5th year guy, but want them to sit out a year like the regular transfers? That wouldn't benefit the athlete though, but would probably curtail the increase of those situations. I hope it remains the same. Of course, we've enjoyed having Jake A and Deandre K.
In many of these cases a player is in a bad situation, on a bad team or something like that. Why penalize a kids for sticking it out and fulfilling his end of the deal. Reward him with a shot at going to another school after he graduates to better himself.
You could allow players who have graduated a second redshirt year. You could even make the argument it is helping the student because it gives them 2 years of grad school for free. The way it is currently they only get one year paid for and I'm sure few if any of the 5th year transfers have ever gotten a Master's in that one year.
