Proposed NCAA Recruiting Changes

[CycloneErik]

A discussion of the value of the education that athletes receive really needs to take some factors into account that we haven't been discussing:
1) Are they enrolled in viable majors that lead to employment, or stashed in majors that keep them eligible and making money for the university?
2) How do college athletes with degrees do in terms of employment and income after college? Somehow, this would have to include pro athletes while acknowledging that they are an outlier in terms of income.

There are a few more that I'm not thinking of. I'm not sure if anyone's done the studies on that, but it would be more meaningful than "they are receiving a college degree," because they may not be getting one or getting one with a value after college.

 

[CYphyllis]

A discussion of the value of the education that athletes receive really needs to take some factors into account that we haven't been discussing:
1) Are they enrolled in viable majors that lead to employment, or stashed in majors that keep them eligible and making money for the university?
2) How do college athletes with degrees do in terms of employment and income after college? Somehow, this would have to include pro athletes while acknowledging that they are an outlier in terms of income.

There are a few more that I'm not thinking of. I'm not sure if anyone's done the studies on that, but it would be more meaningful than "they are receiving a college degree," because they may not be getting one or getting one with a value after college.

You are pretty dead on with most of that, the value of a specialized degree such as engineering or accounting is going to be worth more than a political science degree.

 

[CycloneErik]

You are pretty dead on with most of that, the value of a specialized degree such as engineering or accounting is going to be worth more than a political science degree.

Or communications. I remember watching one of our games a couple years ago, and it seemed like our basketball team must have been the comm. studies department.

 

[KFitzy87]

You are pretty dead on with most of that, the value of a specialized degree such as engineering or accounting is going to be worth more than a political science degree.

So isn't that the athlete's decision? They can decide how much value they want to get out of their degree.

 

[CYphyllis]

Or communications. I remember watching one of our games a couple years ago, and it seemed like our basketball team must have been the comm. studies department.

Hey, a degree in communications is great if you plan on using it to get your masters in communications, which is of course than used to get your doctorate in communications so you can actually find a job in your field of study as a communications professor.

 

[CycloneErik]

So isn't that the athlete's decision? They can decide how much value they want to get out of their degree.

At least some of them get 'strong guidance' on which direction to go. It's not all, but it definitely happens.

At that point it comes down to "you can choose your actions, but you can't choose your consequences." That's a dirty game when you're dealing with someone's educational choices, but it happens.

 

[KFitzy87]

At least some of them get 'strong guidance' on which direction to go. It's not all, but it definitely happens.

At that point it comes down to "you can choose your actions, but you can't choose your consequences." That's a dirty game when you're dealing with someone's educational choices, but it happens.

I see what you're saying. But then if that's the case, and the apparent sacrifice that it takes to play Division 1 ball is too much, then again it's on the athlete on whether or not it's worth it to them to play

 

[CycloneErik]

I see what you're saying. But then if that's the case, and the apparent sacrifice that it takes to play Division 1 ball is too much, then again it's on the athlete on whether or not it's worth it to them to play

So what you're saying for guys in that situation:
1. They can choose to get an "education" that won't get them anywhere, and they too, can peak at 17.
2. They can choose to quit and pay for their own education, even though part of the selling point of college athletics is giving an opportunity to people that can't afford it. It isn't that we're providing a mock opportunity to fit our own designs and convenience.

 

[CyFan61]

Hey, a degree in communications is great if you plan on using it to get your masters in communications, which is of course than used to get your doctorate in communications so you can actually find a job in your field of study as a communications professor.

LOL it's funny because Communications majors are so worthless LOL

Enginereing FTW

 

[MLawrence]

College sports is a business, a business in which the employees are forced to receive a compensation package below the national average and criminally below their true value.

To think these kids are getting a fair shake is naive.

While I do agree that college football and men's basketball is a big business, I think it's worth noting there are other sports, and those other sports lose more than they make for athletic department in terms of monetary value.

 

[CycloneErik]

While I do agree that college football and men's basketball is a big business, I think it's worth noting there are other sports, and those other sports lose more than they make for athletic department in terms of monetary value.

Those sports would make the study more interesting.

 

[jdoggivjc]

New recruiting guidelines are all well and good - but I give it 3 hours (at most) for the "experts" to find the loopholes to get around this.

 

[KFitzy87]

While I do agree that college football and men's basketball is a big business, I think it's worth noting there are other sports, and those other sports lose more than they make for athletic department in terms of monetary value.

Yep. So should we pay the football and men's basketball players but not the swimmers and soccer team?

 

[Ry4Cy]

LOLOL. I would have sold my left leg to get a free college education. And hell I would have sold my right one to play college football....Something that I dreamed of as a kid.

 

[CYme]

They have a choice to play football. Plain and simple. No one is forcing them to play. Maybe we all need to look at ourselves and how much we are willing to spend on college sports.

 

[CYme]

LOLOL. I would have sold my left leg to get a free college education. And hell I would have sold my right one to play college football....Something that I dreamed of as a kid.

PM me, I think we can work something out...

 

[Ry4Cy]

PM me, I think we can work something out...

You want the left one or right one? Please be right one...I want to hop over to CPR and tell him to put me in!!!! :jiggy:

 

[CYme]

You want the left one or right one? Please be right one...I want to hop over to CPR and tell him to put me in!!!! :jiggy:

Oh, I have use for both legs. I'll have to enroll you for you to play. But I think I can sell the no legged football player to lifetime.

 

[Rabbuk]

In what, a lifetime? If you are saying that a Bachelor's degree at this point is a golden ticket to a higher tax bracket, I'd say you are about a decade behind.

Here is an article that depicts what these kids are getting out of their degrees, otherwise known as their compensation:

Bachelor's degree: Has it lost its edge and its value? - CSMonitor.com

I'm going to go ahead and assume you didn't read this.