***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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I think the Big 10 should hold off on adding Rutgers. See what happens with FSU and Clemson and if they jump ship, take a run at North Carolina or Virginia.

I think they'll do that after rutgers. 14 isnt a great stopping point.
 
I think they'll do that after rutgers. 14 isnt a great stopping point.

yes but 16 is and you don't want to limit yourself. I'd rather have GaTech, Virginia, and UNC. It's not like Rutgers would say no a year or two from now.
 
What are you talking about? rebecacy was spot on about OU's president bluffing on their move to the PAC as a power play to get Tejas to agree to some concessions.

What makes you think OU was bluffing? Just because rebecacy said so? There are still rumors floating around that OU wants into the Pac-12. I think a reason why these rumors aren't getting more traction is because they don't contain viable specifics about how OU intends to get around the GOR.
 
What makes you think OU was bluffing? Just because rebecacy said so? There are still rumors floating around that OU wants into the Pac-12. I think a reason why these rumors aren't getting more traction is because they don't contain viable specifics about how OU intends to get around the GOR.

I've read a Maryland blog that says Maryland intends to find out if the 50 million buyout will hold up in court. I think it's a bluff to get a lessor buyout but I don't think any conference wants to test these buyouts in court. That would be the only way out for OU or Texas that I could see. I don't think they are going anywhere regardless.
 
Was he? It just as easily looks like the PAC, which as i recall required unanimous agreement to expand, couldnt get the votes to do so. A lot of reasons not to. Loss of traditional games that many existing pac members were already complaining about. Colorado wouldnt want to lose the california play-time it had just jumped for. Not willing to concede on the LHN. Etc. No proof was ever offered that there was any bluff going on. I think they were fully ready to go, but the PAC didn't have the votes.

What makes you think OU was bluffing? Just because rebecacy said so? There are still rumors floating around that OU wants into the Pac-12. I think a reason why these rumors aren't getting more traction is because they don't contain viable specifics about how OU intends to get around the GOR.

rebecacy predicted, almost a month before it happened, that OU was just bluffing as leverage...and he was very adamant about it even when most of the posters on here were calling him an unsubstantiated loony. Maybe he just made a wild-*** guess that happened to be right, but I don't think a person makes such a specific and bold claim without some knowledgable basis for doing so.

Plus, the guy has credibility and actually is well-connected, which separates him from 99% of us (self included). If you doubt this, look him up.
 
yes but 16 is and you don't want to limit yourself. I'd rather have GaTech, Virginia, and UNC. It's not like Rutgers would say no a year or two from now.

If its true that the big 10 network plans on using the YES network as leverage, the timing of the next contract renegotiation for it and NYC cable systems probably comes into play.
 
Maybe he just made a wild-*** guess that happened to be right, but I don't think a person makes such a specific and bold claim without some knowledgable basis for doing so.

Plus, the guy has credibility and actually is well-connected, which separates him from 99% of us (self included). If you doubt this, look him up.

He also told us:

The FOF was being built west of the bergstrom building.
The tunnel would go directly to the field with a door
Tony Franklin would be our new OC
The athletic department was planning very soon to announce the south endzone (years ago now)

Well connected, absolutely. I've met him. In person he's a great guy. On message boards however his track record isnt as stellar. Without this OU thing, i'm not sure any of his predictions came true. And there's more evidence than not that it wasnt OU bluffing, but the PAC deciding it didnt want to expand. And if OU WAS bluffing, it certainly backfired as the continued instability was cited by Missouri as a reason for leaving (though at the end they were the only instability)
 
rebecacy predicted, almost a month before it happened, that OU was just bluffing as leverage...and he was very adamant about it

Missouri was our best friend.

The FOF will be on the west side of the IPF.

His info, on the surface, was okay but the details were usually far from correct. That's what happens when your info is second-hand at best. The original source of his information (knowing who he's worked for) would be a solid source but when the old game of telephone happens the info changes quite a bit.
 
@BTNElizabeth: BTN & BTN2Go will have live coverage at 2:30 PM ET of the Maryland press conference announcing it's joining the Big Ten.
 
He also told us:

The FOF was being built west of the bergstrom building.
The tunnel would go directly to the field with a door
Tony Franklin would be our new OC
The athletic department was planning very soon to announce the south endzone (years ago now)


Well connected, absolutely. I've met him. In person he's a great guy. On message boards however his track record isnt as stellar. Without this OU thing, i'm not sure any of his predictions came true. And there's more evidence than not that it wasnt OU bluffing, but the PAC deciding it didnt want to expand. And if OU WAS bluffing, it certainly backfired as the continued instability was cited by Missouri as a reason for leaving (though at the end they were the only instability)

But this is a thread about conference realignment, which is one area in which rebecacy has a pretty solid track record. Ockam's razor: is it more likely that rebecacy made a crazy guess straight out of left field, stuck with it for a month, and happened to be right...or that he actually had some knowledge that this was OU's strategy all along?
 
But this is a thread about conference realignment, which is one area in which rebecacy has a pretty solid track record. Ockam's razor: is it more likely that rebecacy made a crazy guess straight out of left field, stuck with it for a month, and happened to be right...or that he actually had some knowledge that this was OU's strategy all along?

One guess that has no substantiation, is a 'pretty solid track record'? Come on.

Occams razor would say that OU really was interested in leaving. That is the simplest explanation. And a year later someone other than rebecacy wouldve reported that. Anyone.

Occams razor, when a guy has predicted so many things wrong, is it more likely he's wrong on this, or that hes right that OU had some convoluted plan.
 
But this is a thread about conference realignment, which is one area in which rebecacy has a pretty solid track record. Ockam's razor: is it more likely that rebecacy made a crazy guess straight out of left field, stuck with it for a month, and happened to be right...or that he actually had some knowledge that this was OU's strategy all along?

So, are you like his nephew or something? Seems to me you're going to a lot of trouble to defend a blowhard with a shaky (at best) track record on predictions, who hasn't posted in months. Are you acting as his surrogate? Is he feeding you lines via instant messenger? If so, please tell old Uncle Rebecca and Aunt Trophy Wife "hi" from all of us, when you see him for Thanksgiving. Tell him that we miss him, but only on days that don't end in "Y"
 
Missouri was our best friend.

The FOF will be on the west side of the IPF.

His info, on the surface, was okay but the details were usually far from correct. That's what happens when your info is second-hand at best. The original source of his information (knowing who he's worked for) would be a solid source but when the old game of telephone happens the info changes quite a bit.

Very true, but that's still more valuable than a bunch of guys sitting around making guesses and pulling stuff out of their *****. He seemed to be dead-on about the OU thing in particular.

But anyway, I realize it's a moot conversation as the guy's banned and not coming back; I was just lamenting that it would be great if we had someone to offer some insight into what ISU/Big 12 leadership was thinking about this whole thing. I'm with you, though, in that I completely trust in JP and ISUPres to do whatever's best; we're in good hands.
 
This should be an interesting off season. This time you guys can actually enjoy it rather than crapping your pants about what conference you'll be in.
 
So, are you like his nephew or something? Seems to me you're going to a lot of trouble to defend a blowhard with a shaky (at best) track record on predictions, who hasn't posted in months. Are you acting as his surrogate? Is he feeding you lines via instant messenger? If so, please tell old Uncle Rebecca and Aunt Trophy Wife "hi" from all of us, when you see him for Thanksgiving. Tell him that we miss him, but only on days that don't end in "Y"

I don't dispute this at all. I was just saying that I think his OU prediction was legit because it was so specific and appeared to be substantiated. Obviously the guy was a nuisance and abrasive with the other posters.
 
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