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*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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Judoka said:
Yeah, if WV is the 14th SEC team and everyone stays pat (and the PAC stuff happens) ISU/KU/KSU/Mizzou are in a much better (or at least bad) position than Iowa State would be by itself.
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If it is wvu to sec... Imagine how humbling that would be for mizzou. They thought they were b10 material and now would be left without a home. Talk about getting knocked down a few pegs.
 
CysRage said:
I agree ISU's chances to the Big 10 got better all of a sudden (but still slim) but does KU part ways with KSU in this? I find it very hard to believe KU will join the Big 10 without KSU even if KSU's academics suck.
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KU would have a lot of very difficult in-state politics to overcome to leave KSU behind. I just don't see them splitting, but I guess anything is possible at this point. No one knows, especially the twitterverse.
 
jdoggivjc said:
I think at this point in time either the B12 sticking together or the SEC is K-State's only hope. Ironic - at this point in time I think the B12 sticking together or the B1G is ISU's only hope.
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With the Big East gone Kansas isn't feeling too good either, I'd think.
 
im4cyclones said:
Did he connect with his vast network of contacts to surmise this? Or peer magically into crystal ball?

Oh, he just read his twitter feed and then parroted it? He is a genius! I wasn't sure about it before but now that deace is predicting it in between spoonfuls of ice cream, I am a believer!
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It's obvious Deace found this conference information through his study of scriptures.
 
HoopsTournament said:
To those who say that a Big East/12 conference sans UT And OU will not be an AQ conference, please show me the documentation showing this. The Big East remained AQ with only 5 schools 6 years ago. The Big 12 would be able to do the same if 5 remained. It wouldn't matter who the teams are. Losing AQ status is VERY difficult. And with one less conference, it would get even more difficult. Go to the BCS website and read a little bit about how the BCS works.
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Again, we can't compare today's rules to tomorrow's situation. What if the four super conferences go to a playoff and there is no BCS. That's where this appears to be headed. You may be right, the new B12/East is a AQ conference, just in time for the BCS to dissolve too. We really don't know where this is headed.
 
I know this has been posted, but I wanted to highlight a couple things...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/s...ce-realignment-is-said-to-be-likely.html?_r=1

The shift in alignments among universities has not gone unnoticed in Washington. In a telephone interview early Sunday morning, a Congressional member from a state with a university potentially negatively impacted said that the conference issue raised concerns over taxes, antitrust law and potentially Title IX.
While nothing no one has formally approached Congress yet, the representative said that the situation was “spinning out of control.â€
“I think the situation is rising to a level where getting Congress engaged may be unavoidable,†the representative said.
In an era of billion-dollar contracts, and with dozens of athletic departments at state universities attempting to balance budgets of tens of millions of dollars, there is a potential loss of public money for the universities left behind.
“I think Congress has a variety of ways in which they could engage,â€
the representative said. “What we’re seeing is an effort by certain institutions to push other major institutions out of revenue deals and thereby impacting universities. And it’s done in a way that’s breaching contracts.â€
While the representative said he was stopping short of saying that Congress should get involved, as he needs to see how things play out, he did say that it was likely to draw their interest. He pointed out how Congress got involved in the steroid issue in baseball.
“Congress has the nexus to engage,†he said. â€These are tax exempt organizations now making billions of dollars off of unpaid athletes.


When it’s a regional league it seems to make sense. When you’re taking schools practically from coast to coast and putting them in big profit revenue leagues, we may be at a point where the N.C.A.A. has lost its ability to create a fair system for all universities to play in.â€
A lawyer who has higher education clients and has been involved in discussions with Congress about the legal ramifications of conference realignment said the threat of Congressional involvement was real.
“The sudden consolidation of the B.C.S. conferences may raise any number of issues that Congress will want to explore, especially because these conference affiliation decisions have been made quickly and out of view of all concerned constituencies — student athletes, alumni, fans, and the governments who control the public universities that overwhelmingly populate the B.C.S.,†said the lawyer, who was not authorized by his clients to speak publicly on the subject.
The extent of Congressional interest could come down to how many universities get squeezed monetarily from the shift in landscape.
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A few thoughts...

1. The extent of congressional interest could come down to how many schools are screwed? What??? That's like saying that if only 3 people get robbed, then its not a huge deal, but if 10 people get robbed, then we'd better get involved. You can bet those schools getting "squeezed monetarily" are those in flyover states who don't have a lot of political voice.
2. Legal issues involved are taxes, anti-trust laws, and potentially Title 9. I'd hope these are issues. I don't know of other entities in the US behaving like for-profit institutions without their tax status questioned...Anti-trust laws? For sure. You essentially have a fixed number of teams creating a new division of football and locking others out based on subjective criteria...Title 9 issues? Definitely. These decisions are being made from a purely football viewpoint when the best-interests of female athletes from a Title 9 perspective aren't being considered.
3. Breach of contracts...What other institutions have the power to rip up their contracts when market conditions change in an unfavorable manner for them? What would happen if all of the sudden a bunch of people cut the cord on cable 10 years from now and cable subscriptions drastically decline? Will the PAC still expect to get paid or can ESPN rip up their contracts?
4. The NCAA has lost its ability to create a fair system for "all universities to play in"? HA! Has never been that way and never will be.
5. Universities getting billions of dollars off of unpaid athletes? I don't have any idea what needs to be done, where to draw the line between paid and unpaid, or how much to pay the players, but something needs to be done about this.

Congress? Anyone? It's evident to all as the article says that this is "spinning out of control"
 
Is KU bigger? Or KSU? And size aside, which is the state's "favored" team, if there is one? Because as much politics may be involved, if push came to shove, and we are talking about a scramble for the last of 64 spots...

/shrugs

I don't know. I lived most of my life in a state with one FBS school, so the whole "we have two FBS programs in our state" thing is confusing to me. Plus, I went to school in a state where there are two schools, but in different conferences (for now, maybe). Really not understanding the "package deal" thing.
 
CrossCyed said:
Um...yeah we do. Unless we land in the Big Ten, its extremely bad for our athletics department.
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The funny thing - I think Texas to the Pac 1X aids ISU into the B1G even more - the media what if? "darling" of Texas to the B1G would be dead. We move yet another spot up in line.
 
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