Wow, that was really telling.
JP needs to convince ISU to ally with KU. KSU is dead weight due to their poor academics.
Oklahoma Contemplating Leaving Big XII
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Wow, that was really telling.
JP needs to convince ISU to ally with KU. KSU is dead weight due to their poor academics.
Read English much? I didn't say he wouldn't support a move. I said would he support a move to the SEC over say the BE if KU were going to the BE as well??
Mizzou as the northernmost school in the SEC and the elevated competition is not a good thing for Pinkel or their FB program. He/They might prefer a move to the BE if B10 and P12 aren't an option.
That would hurt our chances tremendously if both KU and Mizzou went BE because although it makes no logical sense, I think KSU goes before ISU due to support from KU.
Most "professional" opinions I have read say Mizzou is not a good fit for the SEC. Mizzou would also be a back up plan for the Pac 16 behind the obvious 4. It depends on the Big 10 desires which I think would be to expand. Otherwise, they would most likely end up in the Big East.
Oklahoma
Dear Oklahoma,
I see that you are thinking about leaving the b12. It seems the conference is too unstable for you. The funny thing is that the conference is unstable because of you.
Yes, Texas is a snake. But they haven always been a snake. And how can you fault a snake for being a snake?
You, on the other hand, have had several chances to put that snake in a cage. Texas has only done exactly what you gave them permission to do!
You and Nebraska, Texas a&m, and Colorado could have stood up to the bully. The rest of us are just a bunch of math nerds. But the four of you have national titles. You could have dictated terms to Texas. If Texas didn't like it, they could have been replaced. Maybe it wouldn't have been quite as lucrative, but it could have been done.
The nerds were just happy to be included, even if that meant the occasional hazing. But we would have backed your play. We have YEARS of conference history with you. Instead you four cheered the bully on.
And why not? You were getting what you wanted. But then the bully started taking a few shots at you. Instead of banding everyone together to fight, you sided with the bully, Nebraska and Colorado bolted, and things continued on. Imagine if the four of you would have stood firm, maybe added teams like BYU or Pitt. But no.
And this summer, a&m got tired of the bully. Instead of siding with them and trying to stand up with the bully, you sided with the bully again.
Now the bully has turned on everyone and you are getting it like the math nerds have for years, so you are going to tuck tail and run like the coward you are.
This whole situation exists because you and a&m and Nebraska sided with Texas when it benefitted you. You made a deal with a snake. And eventually the snake bit you.
There is a great scene in the spiderman movie where the hero could have prevented a crime but didn't. "Not my problem," he says. But then the criminal kills his uncle. Much like that scene, you could have done something but didn't. And now you are paying.
You are the cause of all of this. I know you aren't worried because you have options. But the next time you talk about leadership and integrity, just know those words will NEVER describe you. You are going to abandon schools you have shared history with, you are going to leave us to our fate - however much it made hurt our programs, because you didn't have the backbone or courage to do the right thing.
Just know that you will eventually get yours. Some day off in the future, you will need someone to support you and I hope they plunge the knife square in your back.
Sincerely,
Iowa State University
Dear Oklahoma,
I see that you are thinking about leaving the b12. It seems the conference is too unstable for you. The funny thing is that the conference is unstable because of you.
Yes, Texas is a snake. But they haven always been a snake. And how can you fault a snake for being a snake?
You, on the other hand, have had several chances to put that snake in a cage. Texas has only done exactly what you gave them permission to do!
You and Nebraska, Texas a&m, and Colorado could have stood up to the bully. The rest of us are just a bunch of math nerds. But the four of you have national titles. You could have dictated terms to Texas. If Texas didn't like it, they could have been replaced. Maybe it wouldn't have been quite as lucrative, but it could have been done.
The nerds were just happy to be included, even if that meant the occasional hazing. But we would have backed your play. We have YEARS of conference history with you. Instead you four cheered the bully on.
And why not? You were getting what you wanted. But then the bully started taking a few shots at you. Instead of banding everyone together to fight, you sided with the bully, Nebraska and Colorado bolted, and things continued on. Imagine if the four of you would have stood firm, maybe added teams like BYU or Pitt. But no.
And this summer, a&m got tired of the bully. Instead of siding with them and trying to stand up with the bully, you sided with the bully again.
Now the bully has turned on everyone and you are getting it like the math nerds have for years, so you are going to tuck tail and run like the coward you are.
This whole situation exists because you and a&m and Nebraska sided with Texas when it benefitted you. You made a deal with a snake. And eventually the snake bit you.
There is a great scene in the spiderman movie where the hero could have prevented a crime but didn't. "Not my problem," he says. But then the criminal kills his uncle. Much like that scene, you could have done something but didn't. And now you are paying.
You are the cause of all of this. I know you aren't worried because you have options. But the next time you talk about leadership and integrity, just know those words will NEVER describe you. You are going to abandon schools you have shared history with, you are going to leave us to our fate - however much it made hurt our programs, because you didn't have the backbone or courage to do the right thing.
Just know that you will eventually get yours. Some day off in the future, you will need someone to support you and I hope they plunge the knife square in your back.
Sincerely,
Iowa State University
Re: Oklahoma
I have a feeling the conference tried to get ND, BYU, and Ark to the Big 12 but they said no thanks. If this is the case I do not blame OU from moving on before they are forced to move on.
I have a feeling the conference tried to get ND, BYU, and Ark to the Big 12 but they said no thanks. If this is the case I do not blame OU from moving on before they are forced to move on.
Re: Oklahoma
Dear ISU,
It's time for you to pull your own weight.
Sincerely,
Oklahoma
Dear ISU,
It's time for you to pull your own weight.
Sincerely,
Oklahoma
Maybe it was a smoke screen to make Mizzou seem like they haven't been looking around, but Deaton seemed pretty surprised as well. I think OU tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes here, including Texas, until it was too late.
Re: Oklahoma
We pull our weight fine. Just happens that back when football history was being made we chose to put out an education first and a football program second. Turns out it was the wrong call, but who knew all you classless greedy bastards would only care about football and money. I guess we were naive.
We pull our weight fine. Just happens that back when football history was being made we chose to put out an education first and a football program second. Turns out it was the wrong call, but who knew all you classless greedy bastards would only care about football and money. I guess we were naive.
Big East could add Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri
By LENN ROBBINS
Last Updated: 8:33 AM, September 5, 2011
Posted: 2:11 AM, September 5, 2011
Last Updated: 8:33 AM, September 5, 2011
Posted: 2:11 AM, September 5, 2011
With the Pac-12 on the verge of expanding to 16 teams and the SEC poised to add Texas A&M, officials on the presidential, athletic director and conference levels in the Big East, ACC and Big 12 have been burning up the phone lines over the last 72 hours.
The results of those talks could forever change the makeup of the Big East, The Post has learned.
According to multiple sources, the most likely scenario -- should Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech leave the Big 12 for the Pac-12 -- would bring Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to the Big East.
AP
TIGER PAUSE: According to high-level discussions, Missouri -- along with Kansas and Kansas State -- may be celebrating in the Big East next year as part of a 20-school superconference, including 12 FBS schools.
The results of those talks could forever change the makeup of the Big East, The Post has learned.
According to multiple sources, the most likely scenario -- should Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech leave the Big 12 for the Pac-12 -- would bring Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to the Big East.
TIGER PAUSE: According to high-level discussions, Missouri -- along with Kansas and Kansas State -- may be celebrating in the Big East next year as part of a 20-school superconference, including 12 FBS schools.
That would create a super conference with 20 schools playing all sports, including 12 FBS football members.
"Obviously we're monitoring the landscape," Big East commissioner John Marinatto told The Post. "We're very aware of the situation and will continue to do what's in the best interests of the Big East Conference."
Marinatto, who sources said sent an email to all of his conference presidents and athletic directors, would offer no specifics and declined to comment on any school. But the league, which faces crucial TV negotiations in November 2012, is looking to best position itself for those talks.
The 12-and-20 alignment would finally give the members that play football a sense of security. The basketball schools would somewhat begrudgingly accept 20 members, knowing it would ensure the league's survival by expanding the league's footprint into the Midwest.
But there are other scenarios that can't be ruled out.
Although Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany recently said in published reports the possible expansion of the Pac-12 does not change his league's approach or timetable for any expansion, several sources said the Big Ten is interested in Maryland of the ACC.
It's a long shot that Maryland, an ACC charter member, would leave that league, but money speaks louder than league affiliation these days.
If the ACC lost Maryland to the Big Ten and the SEC took an ACC program as its 14th member, a possible Big East-ACC "merger" would create an East Coast super conference.
When the Big 12 nearly lost five members to the Pac-12 last year, the Big East had an agreement in principle with Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. The Big East has since added TCU, making Iowa State expendable.
Missouri has dearly wanted an invite to the Big Ten, but one doesn't seem forthcoming.
The SEC might be interested in Missouri, which borders Arkansas, but sources told The Post Missouri sees a better cultural fit with the Big East than the SEC.
In order for the Big East to add a member, a three-quarters vote is needed.
TCU, which joins the league next season, does not have a vote.
That means 12 of 16 schools would have to approve the additions of Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State.
"Obviously we're monitoring the landscape," Big East commissioner John Marinatto told The Post. "We're very aware of the situation and will continue to do what's in the best interests of the Big East Conference."
Marinatto, who sources said sent an email to all of his conference presidents and athletic directors, would offer no specifics and declined to comment on any school. But the league, which faces crucial TV negotiations in November 2012, is looking to best position itself for those talks.
The 12-and-20 alignment would finally give the members that play football a sense of security. The basketball schools would somewhat begrudgingly accept 20 members, knowing it would ensure the league's survival by expanding the league's footprint into the Midwest.
But there are other scenarios that can't be ruled out.
Although Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany recently said in published reports the possible expansion of the Pac-12 does not change his league's approach or timetable for any expansion, several sources said the Big Ten is interested in Maryland of the ACC.
It's a long shot that Maryland, an ACC charter member, would leave that league, but money speaks louder than league affiliation these days.
If the ACC lost Maryland to the Big Ten and the SEC took an ACC program as its 14th member, a possible Big East-ACC "merger" would create an East Coast super conference.
When the Big 12 nearly lost five members to the Pac-12 last year, the Big East had an agreement in principle with Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. The Big East has since added TCU, making Iowa State expendable.
Missouri has dearly wanted an invite to the Big Ten, but one doesn't seem forthcoming.
The SEC might be interested in Missouri, which borders Arkansas, but sources told The Post Missouri sees a better cultural fit with the Big East than the SEC.
In order for the Big East to add a member, a three-quarters vote is needed.
TCU, which joins the league next season, does not have a vote.
That means 12 of 16 schools would have to approve the additions of Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State.
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Mountain West Executive Board Call Has Realignment High on Its Agenda
Mountain West Executive Board Call Has Realignment High On Its Agenda
by Jeremy Mauss on Sep 4, 2011 7:26 PM PDT in Conference Expansion
6 comments Email Print.The scheduled Mountain West executive board conference call is taking place as scheduled this Tuesday and conference realignment will be high on their list. This time around it will be regarding the latest reports about Oklahoma looking to join the Pac-12 alongside Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.
Commissioner Craig Thompson talked briefly and vaguely about the meeting and conference realignment:
"It wasn't necessarily for this [referring to conference realignment]. There's just so much innuendo and rumor and hearsay and you read the ticker on all the sports things about this guy is talking to that guy and this president is talking. Until things happen, they don't happen. There's just so much out there. We're doing our diligence."
[...]
"There's several options to take and several things to look at. That's all we can do right now, set up for all these different things," Thompson said.
Right now all the Mountain West can do is wait and see what other schools do. If the report is accurate where Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State do end up in a new Pac-16, then the Mountain West must make an attempt to go after the remaining schools.
However, Kansas State and Kansas have long been rumored to join the Big East and it makes sense for them to go after Missouri as well to form a 20-team basketball league and a 12-team football league.
In the end of all of this the teams that the Mountain West has a legit shot at grabbing are Baylor and Iowa State and neither really do much for me and probably no Mountain West fans either, but if a title game is worth upwards of $10 million then go after those two schools. Also, if 14- or 16-team leagues are the norm adding Baylor could be a key grab if the Mountain West wants to add schools in Texas, specifically Houston.
It just seems like this story is being reported on a regular basis with names being rearranged each time, so as usual we just wait and see.
Follow Mountain West Connection for more news around the clock via twitter, facebook, and now google plus.
by Jeremy Mauss on Sep 4, 2011 7:26 PM PDT in Conference Expansion
6 comments Email Print.The scheduled Mountain West executive board conference call is taking place as scheduled this Tuesday and conference realignment will be high on their list. This time around it will be regarding the latest reports about Oklahoma looking to join the Pac-12 alongside Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.
Commissioner Craig Thompson talked briefly and vaguely about the meeting and conference realignment:
"It wasn't necessarily for this [referring to conference realignment]. There's just so much innuendo and rumor and hearsay and you read the ticker on all the sports things about this guy is talking to that guy and this president is talking. Until things happen, they don't happen. There's just so much out there. We're doing our diligence."
[...]
"There's several options to take and several things to look at. That's all we can do right now, set up for all these different things," Thompson said.
Right now all the Mountain West can do is wait and see what other schools do. If the report is accurate where Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State do end up in a new Pac-16, then the Mountain West must make an attempt to go after the remaining schools.
However, Kansas State and Kansas have long been rumored to join the Big East and it makes sense for them to go after Missouri as well to form a 20-team basketball league and a 12-team football league.
In the end of all of this the teams that the Mountain West has a legit shot at grabbing are Baylor and Iowa State and neither really do much for me and probably no Mountain West fans either, but if a title game is worth upwards of $10 million then go after those two schools. Also, if 14- or 16-team leagues are the norm adding Baylor could be a key grab if the Mountain West wants to add schools in Texas, specifically Houston.
It just seems like this story is being reported on a regular basis with names being rearranged each time, so as usual we just wait and see.
Follow Mountain West Connection for more news around the clock via twitter, facebook, and now google plus.
I swear if we are the only ones left out, I'll never watch college sports again.
I imagine both of our schools will end up okay somehow...but the wait is pretty agonizing.
I will say this: if we get left out of this greed machine then there will unfortunately be a lot of people who don't watch college football anymore. I will still buy tickets and support ISU just the same, Iowa State is my second love and my passion right behind my family. But no more watching Gameday, CFB Live, games on tv, I might even stop buying the NCAA football games and switch to Madden. I really hope we have fans that will not make the university suffer for the actions of our greed filled society. This is why other nations hate us.
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