If by that you mean "if these guys keep improving at track, after iowa gets the national championship trophy, our guys might be fast enough to grab it and run away with it!" None of those guys you mention will even AA this year...not good news for team points.
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If by that you mean "if these guys keep improving at track, after iowa gets the national championship trophy, our guys might be fast enough to grab it and run away with it!" None of those guys you mention will even AA this year...not good news for team points.
I go to ISU, i just have my head on strait. Iowa beat us twice this year, neither time with a full team! Danial Dennis is back and will be completely ready now or soon...chad beatty will probably be back by big tens, and dan erekson is coming back very soon. They will all AA. Matt McD will easily AA and is expected to be in title contention, any one of the guys they put in at 141 can easily AA, Metcalf will take it easily, Keddy will AA if he starts wrestling how he can...157 is the only weight where they cant really AA, so how do you beat that??????? Basically you hope their bus crashes on the way there, and if thats the case i hope you are the car they hit.
KeepDreamin, are you aware that Intermat currently ranks ISU second to Iowa by only 0.5 team points? I guess that you must know a lot more than the people that cover the sport for a living.
Yes i am aware of that, i follow the sport very closely. #1-That number has been randomly varying all year between 0 and 30 point spread so i dont put too much stock into that. #2-If in fact nick is out the whole year, that number will go down a lot. He probably would have been worth at least 30 points at nationals.
I go to Iowa and I have my head on straight.... IMO ISU hasn't peaked yet. I watched the National Dual Championships and then went to see Iowa/OSU last weekend. It was like two different teams competing. Iowa destroyed Minnesota then took it hard to ISU, they looked flat against OSU. I think Iowa has peaked, if not regressed. They are still a very good team, but I feel like ISU has closed the gap. The strides of Long, Ward, and Jensen have really impressed me. I just don't see where anyone from Iowa is still progressing. If you would care to prove me wrong then please provide some substance.
Gladly...I will just work my way through the weights. 125-Matt McD...he is a redshirt freshman and is already tearing peoples heads off. At this point he can finish just about any shot. He started the year off being a little more aggressive than his skills could support and reached for shots way too much, but he has been working on that and it shows and will continue. He can wrestle hard all 7 minutes and still has plenty left after. 133-Dan Dennis...Obviously slowed down by injury but is better now. It will take a little bit of time to get back on it with the conditioning but he will be there in less than a month. He is very aggressive and very quick with everything he does. Again, can go 7+ minutes hard and not tire. He has been steadily improving over his whole career and wont stop now. 141-Either Marion or Slaton...Marion is good but could still use some work. He is very quick and seems to have a pretty good gas tank. He needs to learn to stay out of trouble, which brands is good at coaching, so that will improve the longer he is there. I cant say a whole lot about Slaton because i havent seen him much this year, but from what i have he is looking good. He is very strong and very explosive. Not sure about his conditioning but we saw what he has for skill 2 years ago. 149-Metcalf...there isnt a whole lot to say here, he is metcalf. He sometimes has trouble finishing shallow shots, but he doesnt get in on many of those. As long as the person chooses to wrestle him, aka not be mueller at UNI, he will roll them. 157-Janssen...Obviously the weak link on the team. He has confidence issues. He has great shots but tends to not go at it with confidence. He has the speed but needs to build the trust in himself, with which should come from more mat time and getting some wins. 165-Morningstar(aka Morningstall)...I have always been disappointed with him. He obviously is a slow paced wrestler, which doesnt really fit into an iowa team full of go-getters. He needs to work on being more offensive. He has great shots when he uses them and really wants to. He has always been a defensive wrestler but i read an article saying brands is going to be getting on him pretty hard for it. 174-Jay...He is looking amazing right now. Aggressive but not too aggressive, quick but not too quick. He is strong and has great takedowns. When he has them down they stay there unless he wants them up. He can use arm bars as well as anyone. He is a steamroller and will keep going all year. 184-Keddy...Rebuilding from an off-season injury. This article should explain... press-citizen.com | Iowa City PluckPersona | Iowa City Press Citizen 197-Who knows...if beatty is back it will all depend on how his recovery went and everything. Lofthouse is really a 184-pounder trying to fill in the spot for now. Hwt-Dan...Obviously he hasnt wrestled yet, but from what i hear is he is looking better than ever. If he comes back like he went out last year, he will roll. He has been keeping in shape during his recovery so that shouldnt be and issue. Last year he showed that he is a very quick hwt that tires others quickly and has moves you dont usually see in this size. He has great takedowns that arent just upperbody crap like most hwts. But we will have to see how he comes back, i bet its great. Overall they have a very intense team. The conditioning is impressive, which will pay off in the tournament setting. They have definitely not hit a ceiling, they are just below that peak, which is where you want to be at this point.
Ok when I asked you to explain I wasn't asking for: Player 1: He is good, he is quick and doesn't get tired. Player 2: Its "Player 2" 'nuff said.
BTW you just revealed that you are a Hawkeye fan. Not a big deal. Iowa is my second favorite team. I tried to value your opinion, but I don't. Especially when you come on here impersonating a Cyclone fan. You obviously know nothing about ISU.
Oh and Dennis is not back. He was beat by a lesser ranked Freshman in front of 12,500 Hawkeye fans on Friday.
Marion is not good. He had a great win against Parks. Parks couldn't move, it was obvious something was wrong with him. Turns out he had the flu. Hopefully Marion doesn't pick it up and give it to the rest of the team.
PS.. Use paragraphs. That was painful to read.
BTW you just revealed that you are a Hawkeye fan. Not a big deal. Iowa is my second favorite team. I tried to value your opinion, but I don't. Especially when you come on here impersonating a Cyclone fan. You obviously know nothing about ISU.
Oh and Dennis is not back. He was beat by a lesser ranked Freshman in front of 12,500 Hawkeye fans on Friday.
Marion is not good. He had a great win against Parks. Parks couldn't move, it was obvious something was wrong with him. Turns out he had the flu. Hopefully Marion doesn't pick it up and give it to the rest of the team.
PS.. Use paragraphs. That was painful to read.
And apparently he missed the Long v McD match because I didn't see any heads getting ripped off there. Long has closed the gap and will finish higher at nationals. Ward will finish higher than his iowa counter part as will reader, fanthorp, and Z. Varner, "nuff said". Jensen has been a pinning machine so he could make up some points for the loss of gallick. I like our chances even without him.
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The second bolded part proves that the first bolded part is indeed false.
The only way to earn 30 points by yourself is to be the champion, with at least four pins and a major along the way.
I was giving him the credit i think he deserves? Should i not do that? Ok, he is worthless. For all you who think i am lieing, i am a junior at isu, majoring in biology. My advisor is Denis Hix. Im obviously not giving out my name, so you can just guess at that. I didnt use paragraphs because they are needed to separate different thoughts, which there was none of. I did see the Long vs. McD match, all of them in fact. Of course he didnt tear his head off, long is a very good opponent. But i have seen the rest of his matches.
(Hey look, a new paragraph for a changed thought) Dennis wasnt back for that match, like i said he will need to build his conditioning. They said they jumped the gun by about a week with him because Nate Moore was put in the ICU for staph infection. You obviously have different opinions on the rest, which you are entitled to and dont surprise me one bit. We will see how it goes in march, but so far it should be clear iowa has been the better team.
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He isn't a pinner. Anyone who "follows wrestling closely" would know that.
Great, you're an ISU student...but still a hawk fan. There are several of you guys here.
I do think Long, Reader and Varner will place ahead of their Iowa counterpart. I think McD will wear out as the year goes on as he is sucking A LOT of weight. However Long is as well, so I may have lost my own argument there. Fanthorpe and Z will have to show me something to prove they will finish ahead of their Iowa foe. The last time Z wrestled Ereckson it wasnt pretty and Fanthorpe has never beat Dennis so I just dont see it at this point... I hope I am wrong. No way Beatty is 100% come nationals. You dont miss that much time late in the season and be at your best.
Jensen had been fun to watch.... Really has been. But hes not Gallick and he does struggle against the top end competition. If he comes out of the OKIE State and Oklahoma matches with wins then I will be a believer and feel much better about our chances. Okie States 141lber has been sick, last year he gave Gallick some tough matches so if hes healthy we will learn everything we need to know about Jensen.
The Key weights are really 157, 149 and 174. Mueller has looked good and I think this is the year he becomes an AA. 174 looked promising early and injuries have definetly made Burke regress. 157 could be good for a couple wins in Omaha... if he makes it there?? Which i think he will at this point. A couple wins dont score many points unless you win by more than a decision so lets hope he makes it and scores a fall or two.
Isn't there a biology program at U*I? I love how stating that you are an ISU student gives you some sort of credibility here. Uhh...not really. There are way too many of you dipsh#ts walking around in your hok jacket thinking you are soo cool. I'm surprised you don't get jacked walking across campus.
Varner yes, that isn't even debatable, but the other 2 no one has any idea. Nationals is all about pairings and getting on the right side of the bracket to make a serious run in the tournament unless you are Varner or Metcalf and have proved you are the dominate wrestler at your weight, then it doesn't matter who is on your side of the bracket.
Absolutely.
Reader still struggles anytime against Morningstar and the only way he finishes higher I believe is if he never runs in to him. Fanthorpe has never beaten Dennis and will need to miss him as well. Of course if Morningstar and Dennis go down then you have to wonder how Reader and Fanthorpe would fare against those opponents.
I really dont see Reader placing lower than Morningstar. Maybe I am being blinded by being a homer but I just dont see it. I understand match ups are a big part of the NCAA tournament. Thats one thing that bugged me about Cael we lose a match or two that I didnt think we should have and he would come back with well That National Tournament is what matters. But where you are seeded plays a huge role in how far you advance and how many team points you can score. No doubt about it. I also think Morningstall is more susceptible to being upset than Reader due to their wrestling styles. But hes maybe also stays in matches that otherwise he is out talented in due to that style as well.
My comment on Long may have been a reach considering the outcomes but I dont think so on Reader.
My PERSONAL comparision for Nationals w/ ISU and Iowa
125 -Long (ISU) - I believe Long could place anywhere from 3rd to 8th, i really think he is a sure fire AA. My personal prediction is 3rd.
125 - McBono (Iowa) - I think it is basically a wash between these two anywhere from 3rd-8th and will sure fire AA. My personal prediction 5th.
125 recap - I am a clone fan, and really think that Long is more talented than McBono, McBono is just in better shape at this point, Long just needed more time to get into shape, he still isn't there but i think come nationals he will be. However i do see both of them scoring a good amount of points throughout the tourney w/ bonus point victories as neither of them stop on offense..
133 - Fanny - (ISU) - I really think Fanthorpe will suck it up come nationals as this is his last year, I think he will be a AA anywhere from 3-8th...There is a small possiblity of him not AA'ing though. prediction fanny places 6th.
133- Dennis (IA) - He will too AA about the same as FAnny 3-8th...prediction Dennis places 5th.
141- Jensen (ISU) - For Jensen i really don't see him AA'ing, He definately is very dangerous i just don't see him getting on that hot streak, i see him going 2-2 at nationals w/ a couple of pins which is nice... Bracket placement is huge for Jensen. prediction 2-2 at nationals w/ his 2 wins by pin.
141 - Marion/Leclere/Slaton - This is really a crap shot for Iowa i could definately seeing anyone of these 3 AA'ing for Iowa, and really don't know who the best one is. I would guess Slaton but w/ no mat time and not scheduled in their lineup for their next meet at michigan I don't know if we'll ever see Slaton on the mat again...For now I guess I'll go w/ Marion. I think if he is the one, he makes it the round of 12 winning 3 matches. I think bracket placement for Marion is huge too. If Slaton wrestles i think he AA's like in 5-8th range...prediction whoever it is to place 7th. kinda just averaged them all out....
141 recap - while Jensen is dangerous I can't help but think back to his match against Thorn of Minny, he just got torn apart by someone who while talented has never AA'd, maybe it was just a match up issue, but that match scared me...On the Iowa side the big question is who is going to be wrestling for them, all three are uber talented. Slaton is one who can get really hot at the right time as he showed before, Leclere is really solid, I actually want him to be Iowa's guy, it seems to me he is the one who has done everything right...never in trouble w/ grades or other things. I see Leclere kinda like Mueller, would love to have him end on a high note. That being said if Slaton is available i would bet my bank account that is who Brands throws out there.
149 - Mueller (ISU) - I think Mueller AA's anywhere from 5th-8th.
149 - Metcalf (Iowa) - Don't see anyone beating him. Champion for sure.
149 recap - I really love the way Mueller has wrestled this year, I think KJ has had the most impact on him out of everyone, it really is night and day from a year ago. Bracket placement will be big for Mitch. My prediction he gets 7th. Metcalf will be a champion.
157 - Sorenson (ISU) - Bracket placement is again big for Sorenson, my prediction is he goes 2-2.
157 - Jaansen (Iowa) - Bracket placement big for him too. my prediction is 1-2.
165 -Reader (ISU) - Reader will place 1st-5th, bracket placement really doesn't matter, Reader can beat anyone. My prediction is 2nd.
165- Morningstar (Iowa) - i think bracket placement is bigger for Stall....He does have good shots, but using them in the last 10 seconds doesn't work at nationals, I think we have a Jay Borschel performance this year from Stall. Prediciton he makes it to the round of 12 going 3-2 (all matches are either won or lost by 1 point).
174 - Burke (ISU) - He hasn't really been up or down, he just never breaks through w/ any big wins, i've heard he's been injured a lot so hopefully he's healthy, the best i see him doing is the round of 12. Prediction he goes 1-2 at nationals...
174 - Borschel - Out of everyone at Iowa he has impressed the most, all year he's been on a mission i think he is for sure to get 1st-4th, still in the back of my head how did he not place last year and could it happen again??? I don't think so...prediciton Champion.
184 - Ward - I think Ward can get anywhere from 5th- round of 12. He just wrestles a lot of close matches, i could definataley see keddy and pucillo beating him but could see Ward beating them too....Also i have a hard time getting past the midland results. He place 7th...I know he wrestled close matches but come on...prediction 8th place.
184 Keddy - Keddy has been so up and down this year, it appears an injury was bothering him, sounds like he's on the track back w/ his win against Foster (although Foster has been hurt too). He really needs to stay away from Askern....my prediction 5th.
197 - Varner (ISU) - prediction Champion
197- Beatty (Iowa) - If he is 100% healthy i'd say he'd place like 7-8 because of the injury and time of the mat...my prediction is round of 12 going 3-2.
HWT - Z (ISU) - With Z its always so tough, he has beaten everyone in the weight class basically, but can and has lost to many of them too. Love is heart he puts into it. My prediction 2nd.
HWT - Erekson - ? is there enough time for him to get into shape? I think there is and he is good, and think he will AA this year, he can also place anywhere from 1st-6th...My prediction 4th....
So there are my predictions and thoughts, probably not the easiest to read, and it is certainly w/ a bit of ISU lean but mostly fair for the most part and not too far-fetched....I really think it is going to be pretty close come nationals....Anyone who cannot see the difference that KJ is making w/ ISU is completely blind! ISU this year is on a different level, and the level they are trying to get up to is Iowa's level....hopefully the peak comes at the right time, but i agree it will take a lot to knock Iowa off their mountain....
125 -Long (ISU) - I believe Long could place anywhere from 3rd to 8th, i really think he is a sure fire AA. My personal prediction is 3rd.
125 - McBono (Iowa) - I think it is basically a wash between these two anywhere from 3rd-8th and will sure fire AA. My personal prediction 5th.
125 recap - I am a clone fan, and really think that Long is more talented than McBono, McBono is just in better shape at this point, Long just needed more time to get into shape, he still isn't there but i think come nationals he will be. However i do see both of them scoring a good amount of points throughout the tourney w/ bonus point victories as neither of them stop on offense..
133 - Fanny - (ISU) - I really think Fanthorpe will suck it up come nationals as this is his last year, I think he will be a AA anywhere from 3-8th...There is a small possiblity of him not AA'ing though. prediction fanny places 6th.
133- Dennis (IA) - He will too AA about the same as FAnny 3-8th...prediction Dennis places 5th.
141- Jensen (ISU) - For Jensen i really don't see him AA'ing, He definately is very dangerous i just don't see him getting on that hot streak, i see him going 2-2 at nationals w/ a couple of pins which is nice... Bracket placement is huge for Jensen. prediction 2-2 at nationals w/ his 2 wins by pin.
141 - Marion/Leclere/Slaton - This is really a crap shot for Iowa i could definately seeing anyone of these 3 AA'ing for Iowa, and really don't know who the best one is. I would guess Slaton but w/ no mat time and not scheduled in their lineup for their next meet at michigan I don't know if we'll ever see Slaton on the mat again...For now I guess I'll go w/ Marion. I think if he is the one, he makes it the round of 12 winning 3 matches. I think bracket placement for Marion is huge too. If Slaton wrestles i think he AA's like in 5-8th range...prediction whoever it is to place 7th. kinda just averaged them all out....
141 recap - while Jensen is dangerous I can't help but think back to his match against Thorn of Minny, he just got torn apart by someone who while talented has never AA'd, maybe it was just a match up issue, but that match scared me...On the Iowa side the big question is who is going to be wrestling for them, all three are uber talented. Slaton is one who can get really hot at the right time as he showed before, Leclere is really solid, I actually want him to be Iowa's guy, it seems to me he is the one who has done everything right...never in trouble w/ grades or other things. I see Leclere kinda like Mueller, would love to have him end on a high note. That being said if Slaton is available i would bet my bank account that is who Brands throws out there.
149 - Mueller (ISU) - I think Mueller AA's anywhere from 5th-8th.
149 - Metcalf (Iowa) - Don't see anyone beating him. Champion for sure.
149 recap - I really love the way Mueller has wrestled this year, I think KJ has had the most impact on him out of everyone, it really is night and day from a year ago. Bracket placement will be big for Mitch. My prediction he gets 7th. Metcalf will be a champion.
157 - Sorenson (ISU) - Bracket placement is again big for Sorenson, my prediction is he goes 2-2.
157 - Jaansen (Iowa) - Bracket placement big for him too. my prediction is 1-2.
165 -Reader (ISU) - Reader will place 1st-5th, bracket placement really doesn't matter, Reader can beat anyone. My prediction is 2nd.
165- Morningstar (Iowa) - i think bracket placement is bigger for Stall....He does have good shots, but using them in the last 10 seconds doesn't work at nationals, I think we have a Jay Borschel performance this year from Stall. Prediciton he makes it to the round of 12 going 3-2 (all matches are either won or lost by 1 point).
174 - Burke (ISU) - He hasn't really been up or down, he just never breaks through w/ any big wins, i've heard he's been injured a lot so hopefully he's healthy, the best i see him doing is the round of 12. Prediction he goes 1-2 at nationals...
174 - Borschel - Out of everyone at Iowa he has impressed the most, all year he's been on a mission i think he is for sure to get 1st-4th, still in the back of my head how did he not place last year and could it happen again??? I don't think so...prediciton Champion.
184 - Ward - I think Ward can get anywhere from 5th- round of 12. He just wrestles a lot of close matches, i could definataley see keddy and pucillo beating him but could see Ward beating them too....Also i have a hard time getting past the midland results. He place 7th...I know he wrestled close matches but come on...prediction 8th place.
184 Keddy - Keddy has been so up and down this year, it appears an injury was bothering him, sounds like he's on the track back w/ his win against Foster (although Foster has been hurt too). He really needs to stay away from Askern....my prediction 5th.
197 - Varner (ISU) - prediction Champion
197- Beatty (Iowa) - If he is 100% healthy i'd say he'd place like 7-8 because of the injury and time of the mat...my prediction is round of 12 going 3-2.
HWT - Z (ISU) - With Z its always so tough, he has beaten everyone in the weight class basically, but can and has lost to many of them too. Love is heart he puts into it. My prediction 2nd.
HWT - Erekson - ? is there enough time for him to get into shape? I think there is and he is good, and think he will AA this year, he can also place anywhere from 1st-6th...My prediction 4th....
So there are my predictions and thoughts, probably not the easiest to read, and it is certainly w/ a bit of ISU lean but mostly fair for the most part and not too far-fetched....I really think it is going to be pretty close come nationals....Anyone who cannot see the difference that KJ is making w/ ISU is completely blind! ISU this year is on a different level, and the level they are trying to get up to is Iowa's level....hopefully the peak comes at the right time, but i agree it will take a lot to knock Iowa off their mountain....
